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Old 09-30-2019, 07:01 PM #51
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Honestly, it's really freaking difficult to rank fighters across all weight classes (P4P) when the best fighters don't even face the best in their own weight class!

(Who's the best welterweight today? Who knows? That's because Crawford and Spence won't fight each other.)

I don't see any reason NOT to rank Spence top 5 P4P. But I could say the same for more than five fighters. Gotta see them like, actually go against each other.
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Old 09-30-2019, 07:01 PM #52
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I really don’t understand this silly narrative that Spence’s stock has declined because he had a tough fight with Porter.

Everyone has a tough night with Shawn Porter...

I personally don’t have Spence top 5, (have him top 10) but his performance against Porter hasn’t made me think he’s any less of a fighter. That was a very good win on Saturday.
That's the thing, there are arguments to be made against having him top 5 P4P. But to say because he didn't separate himself aka dominate Porter is silly. When you fight top opponents, you will have some competitive fights...As you should. He could go out and completely dominate DSG next fight, but Porter had the style and game plan to make it a fight.

And I still had Spence winning 8-4 with a KD. He took over late in the fight and finished strong. If that lowers the opinion on him, than good luck making a list of top 5 P4P fighters without any of them having a competitive fight.
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Old 09-30-2019, 07:48 PM #53
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That's the thing, there are arguments to be made against having him top 5 P4P. But to say because he didn't separate himself aka dominate Porter is silly. When you fight top opponents, you will have some competitive fights...As you should. He could go out and completely dominate DSG next fight, but Porter had the style and game plan to make it a fight.

And I still had Spence winning 8-4 with a KD. He took over late in the fight and finished strong. If that lowers the opinion on him, than good luck making a list of top 5 P4P fighters without any of them having a competitive fight.
I had it 7-5 plus the KD so 115-112.

Great fight, and a great performances by both IMO.

There seems to be a lot of anti-Spence sentiment flying around. People are being very over-critical.
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Old 09-30-2019, 08:26 PM #54
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I had it 7-5 plus the KD so 115-112.

Great fight, and a great performances by both IMO.

There seems to be a lot of anti-Spence sentiment flying around. People are being very over-critical.
Well, that is ANY fighter with a good amount of hype. If they don't completely dominate, then they are exposed.

It's hilarious, every top fighter on the P4P lists minus Crawford/Inoue have been in these types of dog fights/competitive fights. And as they should.
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Old 09-30-2019, 08:47 PM #55
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LMAO, he just got worked over and received a gift decision. P4P?????

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Old 09-30-2019, 09:31 PM #56
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What does this mean? Because it was close? Did GGG separate himself from Jacobs? Did Usyk separate himself from Bredis? Did Canelo separate himself from Lara or Trout or GGG?

Any competitive fight and a fighter can't be top 5 P4P? I mean if you don't think he is top 5 P4P, that is perfectly fine. But what is your logic here? Any close competitive fight and that fighter is automatically disqualified from being in the top 5 P4P list?
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:27 PM #57
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He's definitely not top 5, but he's probably top 10. If you don't include him in your top 10, I don't take issue with that.

Based on the original meaning of P4P: who is the best, if all men were of equal weight (based mostly on eye-test and record)

Lomachenko
Usyk
Fury
Golovkin
Canelo
Inoue
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:35 PM #58
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I wouldn't rank him top 5. In no particular order I'd rank; Loma, Crawford, Usyk, Canelo, GGG, Inoue and Estrada higher than him.
I keep asking and I am NOT getting an answer.

Crawford for WHAT??? WHO👏THE👏FᵁCK👏HAS👏HE👏BEAT???
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:42 PM #59
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Alvarez
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Crawford
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Fury
Golovkin
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Spence
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Old 09-30-2019, 10:55 PM #60
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I had him top 3 for a while...after Mikey moved him down to around 5...after this he is still top 10 imo but not really in the top group...there is a lot to sort out at a lot of these divisions though...154/147/175/168 all have some work to do to sort out the top guy...160 too really.
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