So, was Cotto washed up all year or only after Trout beat him?

[El Angel]

He gave an unknown, undefeated title holder a shot at the big time that nobody was going to give him and lost to an strong, awkward southpaw. I still favor him over everyone at 154, except Floyd and Trout.

[Bushbaby]

Trout , cotto couldent even establish a effect jab what he known to do very well, he won only like 3 rounds top.

Floyd was sick to the point he flirted with the idea of pulling out the fight, Hence why Cotto even had some success.

Margarito 2, Margarito was handicap thanks to pacquaio and past prime for some time now.

Mayorga is way past prime, still cotto went 12 competitive rounds with him before the dive went into effect.

Foreman was handicap he couldent even stand up on his own, anyone would look good against that.

and I was being generous saying cotto last decent performance was Pacquaio cause didnt want to rain on him too hard. But yeah to be honest two rounds of actual success doesnt cut it.

Pacquaio, although at 145 Cotto was only able to compete for 2 rounds.


So in conclusion his last decent performance was against micheal jennings.

See, this is the difference between fans like you & me. Outside of the (Floyd was sick), utterly baseless excuse, I tend to agree with most else. Those guys weren't world beaters & you'll never find a post where I claimed as much.

But what I simply don't understand is how you, can so comprehensively pick apart Cotto's last few fights with some semblance of knowledge, then in the very same breath support ginger's who's every bit as bad, if not worse. The hypocracy in your post is simply friggin amazing.

[The Big Dunn]

See, this is the difference between fans like you & me. Outside of the (Floyd was sick), utterly baseless excuse, I tend to agree with most else. Those guys weren't world beaters & you'll never find a post where I claimed as much.

But what I simply don't understand is how you, can so comprehensively pick apart Cotto's last few fights with some semblance of knowledge, then in the very same breath support ginger's who's every bit as bad, if not worse. The hypocracy in your post is simply friggin amazing.

its simple, this is prize fighting. You get big fights and chances to win a title one of two ways-either by beating a lot of contenders and working your way up to the top spot or by beating 1 or 2 veterans on TV in front of a packed crowd that comes out and supports you.

If you make the networks and promoters money, you get big fights sooner! Its just that simple.

[Walt Liquor]

Not necessarily washed up, but unproven at 154.

This right here.

[Bushbaby]

its simple, this is prize fighting. You get big fights and chances to win a title one of two ways-either by beating a lot of contenders and working your way up to the top spot or by beating 1 or 2 veterans on TV in front of a packed crowd that comes out and supports you.

If you make the networks and promoters money, you get big fights sooner! Its just that simple.

And that's fine. But why act like a fighter on the outside looking in if given half a chance cannot upset the odds though?? And why give the top earners more credit for a fight they deserve less credit for?? For example (and you've agreed) Floyd ginger right now is a money grab by Floyd. I say so, you get mad. Then people like Burner using some twisted logic have the nerve to post right here & boxing scene that I shouldn't accept Trout/ginger cause I don't accept Floyd/ginger. How do you even compare the 2??

[JudahRaidersfan]

Boxing Is The Most Bandwagon Sport There Is And People Love To Cover Their Butt, Cotto Lost To An All Time Great In Mayweather And He Loses To Trout An Undefeated Champ In His Prime And He Is Shot And Washed Up. Boxing Fans Are Scared To Be Wrong, I Knew It Would Be A Close Fight But I Thought Trout Would Pull It Out So I Don't Have To Down Talk Cotto Cause He Was What I Thought He Was. If You Picked Cotto You Saying He Is A Has Been Loser. Personally I Think Canelo Should Have Fought Cotto And Than Trout Because Cotto Is Not A Joke. Reminds Me Of How People Jumped Off The JCC Jr Bandwagon After He Lost To Sergio.

[ElBossHogg™]

See, this is the difference between fans like you & me. Outside of the (Floyd was sick), utterly baseless excuse, I tend to agree with most else. Those guys weren't world beaters & you'll never find a post where I claimed as much.

But what I simply don't understand is how you, can so comprehensively pick apart Cotto's last few fights with some semblance of knowledge, then in the very same breath support ginger's who's every bit as bad, if not worse. The hypocracy in your post is simply friggin amazing.

There is rarely unintentional hypocracy in my post. I root for Canelo for the obvious reason but I have not once defended his resume or selection of opponents, I however acknowledge that he has talent and his potential can be great (although untested) that is all. Some people tend to regularly confuse rooting with defending and then go on to futher muddy the situation by blanketly writing off ones opinions as invalid because they can not decipher between the two. I have no control over that. I actually rooted for trout to defeat cotto so that Canelo will be forced to fight trout instead and prove to the nay sayers that he is a actual legit fighter at 154. Only time will tell with fighters like Canelo, Broner, Donaire, etc they have all the potential however relatively untested.

[New England]

its funny to read these comments and see people questioning the greatness of a 4 time 3 division world champion who in his career has fought every relevant fighter in his weight classes except those who wouldnt fight him (Ricky Hatton for example)... its sad... unless your undefeated or on an amazing run you cant ignore... your a nobody... your accomplishments in the past are forgotten...

"most people dont know **** about boxing"

Cotto-Trout was a great fight... it was a close fight... no fighter was dominated... anyone who says otherwise didnt watch the fight...

Styles make fights... and considering the style match up... Cotto did well... i expected Cotto to win... but Trout was a game opponent... he kept his will in tact, and pulled out a W....against a great fighter, not a shot one...

Cotto did lose some things after margarito I... but as a classy Cotto once said "**** happens in boxing, in life"... no excuses Miguel Cotto is still a great fighter... props to Trout... id pick him over canelo...and id still pick cotto to outclass canelo


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good post and welcome to the forums. i don't agree with everything, but that doesn't mean it's not a well thought out take.

i don't think cotto is the fighter he used to be. for one, he's a much more natural WW, and at 154 he's less potent and compensating for his lack of size. trout is the first big jr MW weight in his prime that he fought. foreman was good sized, but he wasn't physical, or very good to begin with. mayorga was a big guy as well, but he doesn't impose his size for 12 rounds, and he's a clown. margarito was a career WW. trout very frequently made cotto miss simply on the merits of his length.

and more importantly, cotto is a diminished force mentally and physically. it's my opinion that he's got a good amount of give in him now, and he never had that in his prime. in the recent past he's been made to back up and stop throwing.

and there are the standard signs of wear you see on an aging fighter. his hands aren't as fast as they used to be. his legs are showing their age, especially late in fights.


cotto was one of my favorites. his fights with mosley, torres, margarito, clottey, judah, the first five rounds of pacquiao, mayweather, were all great fights. his best days certainly behind him, though. i was slow to come around to it myself, but i think it was after the clottey fight that i realized that he'd never come close to becoming the great fighter i thought he could be. i blame his lack of ability, tough as nails matchmaking and antonio margarito. cotto was never the same after that fight.

[The Big Dunn]

And that's fine. But why act like a fighter on the outside looking in if given half a chance cannot upset the odds though?? And why give the top earners more credit for a fight they deserve less credit for?? For example (and you've agreed) Floyd ginger right now is a money grab by Floyd. I say so, you get mad. Then people like Burner using some twisted logic have the nerve to post right here & boxing scene that I shouldn't accept Trout/ginger cause I don't accept Floyd/ginger. How do you even compare the 2??

I didn't agree it was a money grab. I said it was floyd sacrficing weight to make more money. You keep leaving that part out.

But the networks and the promoters and the casinos don't want the apple cart upset. This is big business. Think about when tito lost to BHop , he lost a chance to fight Roy for $20 mil each. If roy and tito were making that, how much was everyone else making?

Look, as a boxing fan I agree 100% that Canelo should get a fight with floyd based on beating quality opposition. That said, Canelo undefeated vs floyd undefeated is going to make HUGE money for all involved, both in Mexico and the US. People aren't trying to **** that up! Trout/Ginger potentially ****s that up. I know you don't care nor should you.

Top earners in every sport get more credit than they probably deserve. Again, you take one or 2 extreme posts and then argue them as if they are the mainstream opinion. Its not as bad as you say and as great as some others say.

Bottom line is Canelo may not have "earned" a floyd fight in the ring, but he has more than "earned" it out of the ring. Its no different than the movies. Stallone can't act as well as Denzel, but they both make $20 mil a film.

[Beater_of_ass]

Cotto isn't washed up but he has seen better days. At 154 people handle his power better while his power is diminished the bigger guys he fights. He gets tired after 8 rounds and at 154 anyone can KO him after 8. At 147 I see it helping his stamina simply because even if he gets hit in the body it's from smaller guys, and his power holds much more respect at 147 than 154.

Cotto isn't washed up but he is at the end of his career and he should fight smaller guys. He doesn't have the stamina/speed/chin or boxing ability to be relevant at 154. I mean... his only 3 fights at the weight were Foreman (good win) Mayorga (good test of 154) and Trout (he lost.) His best performance at 154 was against a WW in Floyd. Aside from Floyd I can say Cotto is the best WW in the world, I see him beating everyone in the division aside from Floyd. I would like to see Cotto/JMM, I think Cotto would slaughter him based off of size, but it would be a good fight.