Boxing Forum
Navigation
Go Back   Boxing Forum > Boxing Forums > Boxing History

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 06-24-2018, 08:37 PM #31
HOUDINI563 HOUDINI563 is online now
Interim Champion
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 897
Quoted: 543 Post(s)
Rep Power: 5
HOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 50,000,000,099,999,996,182,528.00
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 50,000,000,099,999,996,182,528.00
Default

Again you just make things up as you go. Too easy.
HOUDINI563 is online now   Reply With Quote
Advertisements
>>>TO REMOVE THESE ADS, PLEASE REGISTER HERE FOR FREE<<<
Old 06-24-2018, 09:09 PM #32
HOUDINI563 HOUDINI563 is online now
Interim Champion
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 897
Quoted: 543 Post(s)
Rep Power: 5
HOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 50,000,000,099,999,996,182,528.00
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 50,000,000,099,999,996,182,528.00
Default

Ring record book for 1975 collaborates those numbers.
HOUDINI563 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2018, 09:52 PM #33
Bundana Bundana is offline
Interim Champion
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 752
Quoted: 253 Post(s)
Rep Power: 11
Bundana has a reputation beyond reputeBundana has a reputation beyond reputeBundana has a reputation beyond reputeBundana has a reputation beyond reputeBundana has a reputation beyond reputeBundana has a reputation beyond reputeBundana has a reputation beyond reputeBundana has a reputation beyond reputeBundana has a reputation beyond reputeBundana has a reputation beyond reputeBundana has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 500,172,216.96
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 500,172,216.96
Default

Really?... on which page, please.
Bundana is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2018, 10:14 PM #34
Dempsey-Louis Dempsey-Louis is offline
Interim Champion
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Southwest Florida
Posts: 558
Quoted: 333 Post(s)
Rep Power: 3
Dempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,000,000,000,033,131.38
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 1,000,000,000,033,131.38
Default Foreman Says Count Was Short

KINSHASA, Zaire, Oct, 31‐(Reuters)—George Foreman claimed today for the first time that he beat the count when he lost his world heavyweight title on an eighth‐round knockout by Muhammad Ali two days ago.

The dethroned champion told reporters: “In my mind, I beat the count. I picked it up at four and my head was clear.” He claimed the count was only 8˝ seconds.

In New York, however, a stop‐watch timing from a videotape replay showed Fcireman received a full 10‐seconds before Referee Zach Clayton signaled that the fight was over.

A private screening of the videotape showed that confusion for viewers over the length of the count arose because the closed‐circuit television announcer fell two seconds behind Clayton in repeating the count.
Dempsey-Louis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2018, 10:28 PM #35
Dempsey-Louis Dempsey-Louis is offline
Interim Champion
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Southwest Florida
Posts: 558
Quoted: 333 Post(s)
Rep Power: 3
Dempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,000,000,000,033,131.38
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 1,000,000,000,033,131.38
Default Zaire's Loss on Bout Is Around $4‐Million

This is how bad the fight actually sold: NY Times 10/31/74


Although there were some spectacular successes in the closed‐circuit telecast of the Muhammad Ali‐George Foreman bout, it appeared yesterday the bout would cost the Zairian Government more than $4‐million because it fell far short of the break‐even point.

“It was overseated and overpriced in this time of inflation,” said an angry official of United Artists. His company had more than 70,000 theater seats set aside around the United States. It is unlikely United Artists sold 30,000 tickets.

“I am trying (to) work out settlement with Video Techniques,” said the theater official.

One of the complaints by United Artists was that it ?? up a guarantee for most seats after being told other companies were also putting up guarantees, and that it was assured other theaters wouldn't be nearby.

The best guesses yesterday placed the United States theater sales at about $8‐million, The promoters had spoken about a gate approaching $40‐million. But about 40 pet cent has to be pared off the $8‐million for the exhibitors cut. That leaves about $5‐million. Another $2‐million would come in from theater and home‐TV sales in the rest of the world. Thus, $7‐million to $8‐million appears to be the promoters' receipts.

These millions are to be turned over to Zaire, which wound up underwriting the fight by putting up $12.1‐million—including the $10‐million guarantee to the fighters.

Even in some places where the telecast of the bout attracted good crowds, it lost money. In Vancouver, British Columbia, a full house of 5,000 fans at the Agrodome paid $75,000. But all the money was returned when the picture died after the fifth round.

More than 1,000 patrons at Western Michigan University in Kalamazoo got refunds after a chair‐throwing episode when the screen went blank but the sound remained.

The president of Zaire, Mobutu Sese Seko, wasn't above receiving an electronic disturbance at his private closed‐circuit showing in his home. Ten minutes of the bout was lost, but the president later was shown the missing portion from a tape recording.

Madison Square Garden grossed more money than any other theater in the United States—more than $400,000. The Capital Center in Washington was next with $260,000, half of its capacity.

While Huntsville, Ala., showed strong with $30,000, Montgomery grossed only $48,000. The state of Connecticut, with a potential gross of $190,000, did only $70,000.

Over all, it appears that only a third of the 1.9‐million seats were sold. The exact figures weren't available. The president of Video Techniques, Barry Burnstein, left his office early.
Dempsey-Louis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2018, 10:58 PM #36
HOUDINI563 HOUDINI563 is online now
Interim Champion
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 897
Quoted: 543 Post(s)
Rep Power: 5
HOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 50,000,000,099,999,996,182,528.00
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 50,000,000,099,999,996,182,528.00
Default

First of all in terms of the live gate it was 1.2 million$. 65,000 people attended the bout. As of 1974 it ranked as the 6th highest live Gate in boxing history. Page 120 Ring record book of 1975.
HOUDINI563 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2018, 12:05 AM #37
Dempsey-Louis Dempsey-Louis is offline
Interim Champion
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Southwest Florida
Posts: 558
Quoted: 333 Post(s)
Rep Power: 3
Dempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,000,000,000,033,131.38
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 1,000,000,000,033,131.38
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HOUDINI563 View Post
First of all in terms of the live gate it was 1.2 million$. 65,000 people attended the bout. As of 1974 it ranked as the 6th highest live Gate in boxing history. Page 120 Ring record book of 1975.
Do you know, of the top five, does Dempsey have four of them (up to that time)?

Firpo (85,000)
Tunney I (120,000)
Sharkey (75,000; I heard this once but I am not sure if this number is actually correct)
Tunney II (104,000)
Dempsey-Louis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2018, 12:25 AM #38
Dempsey-Louis Dempsey-Louis is offline
Interim Champion
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Southwest Florida
Posts: 558
Quoted: 333 Post(s)
Rep Power: 3
Dempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,000,000,000,033,131.38
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 1,000,000,000,033,131.38
Default

I found on the Ali Wikipedia page where it claims 1 billion watched the Rumble in the Jungle. The supporting footnote is from a USA Today article from 2014, it is a weak reference.

A good example of what is wrong with Wikipedia.

Revisiting 'The Rumble in the Jungle' 40 years later

[Link View Has Been Removed. Click Here To Unlock This Content.]

Excerpt:

THE BLOWN CALL

"After the fight, there was some controversy about whether it was a "quick-count," if referee Zach Clayton reached the count of 10 and waved off the fight before Foreman had sufficient time to get up. Bob Sheridan, who served as lead broadcaster for the fight that was telecast on closed circuit and reportedly reached one billion viewers, would like to make an admission."

That is a weak reference from which to make such a claim.
Dempsey-Louis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2018, 12:44 AM #39
HOUDINI563 HOUDINI563 is online now
Interim Champion
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 897
Quoted: 543 Post(s)
Rep Power: 5
HOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond reputeHOUDINI563 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 50,000,000,099,999,996,182,528.00
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 50,000,000,099,999,996,182,528.00
Default

Your mindset is COMPLETELY REVISIONIST. I lived through this time period. This bout was the most highly anticipated fight since Ali Frazier 2. Any other thought and you are dead wrong. It made headlines in the weeks leading up to it, headlines at its conclusion and headlines in the days after. The round by round results of the fight were discussed LIVE on radio all over the US. In NY where I lived you had Floyd Patterson providing expert opinion after every round. The weeks preceding the bout all you saw and heard on every sports program and every nightly news on every channel was updates on THIS FIGHT. WWOS devoted its entire show to this bout the weekend preceding. Up until this bout only Ali Frazier 1 matched its anticipation in my lifetime.
HOUDINI563 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2018, 05:23 AM #40
QueensburyRules QueensburyRules is offline
Interim Champion
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 583
Quoted: 256 Post(s)
Rep Power: 0
QueensburyRules is infamous around these partsQueensburyRules is infamous around these partsQueensburyRules is infamous around these partsQueensburyRules is infamous around these partsQueensburyRules is infamous around these partsQueensburyRules is infamous around these partsQueensburyRules is infamous around these partsQueensburyRules is infamous around these partsQueensburyRules is infamous around these partsQueensburyRules is infamous around these partsQueensburyRules is infamous around these parts
Points: 100,000,000,010,603.62
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 100,000,000,010,603.62
Default

--- Looninny at it again. The fight garnered a little 1 inch AP press release in my Rag.

Get you and loony Teddy in the same room and we could have a proper Loonoff for our lasting amusement.
QueensburyRules is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share This With Friends

Tags
ahead, ali-foreman:, cards?, score

User Tag List

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
Forum Jump


 

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:36 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.