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Old 12-14-2019, 11:22 PM #21
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Jeff Horn is a quality win; he beat manny pacquiao.
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Old 12-14-2019, 11:24 PM #22
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Your answer is jeff horn?
Jeff Horn has a quality win over Manny Pacquiao. There was some controversy surrounding that fight, but you can't argue with the paperwork or the resume! Inoue and Canelo have never beat an opponent that has beaten an ATG. Come on bro; you got to realize this chit!
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Jeff Horn has a quality win over Manny Pacquiao. There was some controversy surrounding that fight, but you can't argue with the paperwork or the resume! Inoue and Canelo have never beat an opponent that has beaten an ATG. Come on bro; you got to realize this chit!
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Jeff horn is not a highly rated guy.He just has that one win over manny pacquiao and thats it.Thats his whole career just that one win.
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Old 12-14-2019, 11:43 PM #24
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Jeff horn is not a highly rated guy.He just has that one win over manny pacquiao and thats it.Thats his whole career just that one win.
Now hold up a minute here; which fighter in this generation has had a quality win over an old ATG legend. A win over Pacquiao is worth more than like 10 regular wins. It's like hitting a homerun in baseball with the bases all loaded is better than the dude hitting base hits everytime he's on the diamond.
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Old 12-14-2019, 11:51 PM #25
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Now hold up a minute here; which fighter in this generation has had a quality win over an old ATG legend. A win over Pacquiao is worth more than like 10 regular wins. It's like hitting a homerun in baseball with the bases all loaded is better than the dude hitting base hits everytime he's on the diamond.
You mean a past prime pac who fought in Australia.Also crawford didnt have to resign with Arum.That the whole reason why his career is moving so slowly.While all the champions are fighting each other at pbc. Personally i don't hold Horn's win over pac that highly.
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It's a simple question, folks. Help me understand. What justifies Crawford being higher than Inoue, for example?
Because moving up isn't everything, and because he doesn't get by on gifts.
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Because moving up isn't everything, and because he doesn't get by on gifts.
You think Inoue got a gift? Over who?
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Old 12-15-2019, 12:30 AM #28
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You mean a past prime pac who fought in Australia.Also crawford didnt have to resign with Arum.That the whole reason why his career is moving so slowly.While all the champions are fighting each other at pbc. Personally i don't hold Horn's win over pac that highly.
Past prime pac that still got a win over what you guys thought was a GOD in Keith Thurman. Pac still got a bit of fuel left in the tank, so it was a quality win by Horn. Crawford made a good business decision going back with Bob, and all the other welterweights are DEAD SCARED of Crawford. You need to stop being a racist POS HATAH BOI!
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I mean I still have yet to hear an acceptable answer. It's always about what he did five years ago.
even tonight they are saying he's the #1p4p and baddest man in the sport right now after his win, but too bad no one even knew who his cot dam opponent was without googling them on boxingrec first!
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even tonight they are saying he's the #1p4p and baddest man in the sport right now after his win, but too bad no one even knew who his cot dam opponent was without googling them on boxingrec first!
Again, people are just smoking off the 'eye test' of him. He went out there aggressive. That's all they can judge. They're not judging the opposition.

Let's be honest here. Even Gamboa couldn't actually DROP Crawford and Gamboa at that time was way higher in terms of talent than current day Kavaliauskas. So what does that mean? It means Crawford's on the decline. That's fine - it happens. But it's who was able to show that decline.

Remember, this is a guy that blew out Indongo in short order before moving up. Then 147 happened.

Got taken 9 by Horn.

Got taken almost full 12 by crippled Benavidez.

Got taken 6 by a significantly damaged Amir Khan (when both Carnelo and Garcia got a fresher version of him out of there WAY sooner).

Got dropped and taken 9 by unheralded Kavaliauskas - same Kavaliauskas that got all he could handle from 'eye test' Ray Robinson.


So what I see is a guy who has great stamina, aggressive, not afraid to go to war...but who was basically a weight bully at 140. Now that he's 147, his aggression is all he has to work off of. Again, that's fine, but when you're talking someone like:

Errol Spence, aggression isn't going to be enough. It never was.

Danny Garcia? Aggression might get you knocked out.

Shawn Porter? The Master of Aggression and sloppy throwing that somehow connects.

Manny Pacquiao? Aggression is fine as long as you don't get hit back - because if Manny hits you, as we learned with Thurman, you're likely to go down.

Yordenias Ugas? Solid chin, comes forward, has enough power to possibly cause Crawford problems if he lands.


Like seriously - the performance last night doesn't give me any clarity as to why Crawford is rated so high. He's a solid fighter, but he's not at the top. He can't be. Getting dropped by significant underdogs?
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