Do you deserve to lose your job over this?

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Hudak is a total clown. The liberals were as weak as they've ever been following scandal after scandal. There's no excuse for Hudak's inability to capitalise and no excuse for the NDP either. What, did Horvath forget there was an election?

May I ask how you think Hudak is a clown, specifically speaking? I mean he is not your Machiavelli and shouldn't have taken on Unions so openly, but he is a straight up guy. I really like the new leader Patrick Brown.

The fact is we need a Mike Harris, Hudak seemed to resemble him not to mention worked under him back in the day. What ever the case the finances have to be adjusted, cuts are required and tough choices are needed to be made.

Liberals winning was a shock.

Anyway back on topic yes, this incident has been turned into something it wasn't. It was never about misogyny or rape culture or sexual harassment. It was about idiot man-children saying naughty words on television.

You tell that to the University campus feminists that have turned this in to every man is a potential rapist type of rhetoric.

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What I don't like about this is that it has taken on a feminist slant and been categorized under sexism.

The guy tried to explain to her it's not aimed at her and that it has been done to male reporters. It's just a rude/funny thing to say on camera.


lol what is this crap

Basically it is bowing down to feminist pressure to appear gender friendly imo.

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Lol @ 3:40 the guy clocked him in the face

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I don't like this at all.

I work long hours. I work hard. I often like to unwind by going out with my mates getting pissed up, watching some footy and very often acting like a bit of a tit.

If someone recorded some of the shit I've said with my mates at the footy people may well call for me to be sacked. But that's bollox surely? It's just how I unwind at the end of a busy week, it has no reflection on how I behave in a profession environment.

If I want to be a **** in my spare time it's none of my employers damn business.

Are we seriously ok with people being sacked for making off colour remarks at a sporting event? Fuk right off!

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May I ask how you think Hudak is a clown, specifically speaking?

He was a clown for engaging in the thoughtless economising of a campaign sloganeer. In fact maybe he was not so much a clown and more of a bungling amateur stage magician, one who fails in his misdirection thus giving away the effect as being disappointing trickery.

The first thing was his million jobs plan. Not so much a plan as a rejected Rob Ford outburst, given that half a million of those "good, well paying jobs" he was going to create were actually temporary contracts of a year or less and therefore the absolute opposite of good jobs, and most of the rest of them were expected without any intervention from the conservatives at all. In fact using the PC's own data it turned out that the total number of jobs created would be closer to 50,000. And that didn't count the 100,000 civil service jobs that Hudak promised to cut, thus managing to spook almost a million public sector union members who may have voted Conservative following the Liberal betrayal of teachers in the run-up to the election.

And those job cuts. Good grief, if you talk about job cuts in an atmosphere when most job cuts are a result of plant closures and have been devastating entire communities across the province for a decade it's going to make everyone horrified. If he spoke about reducing the size of the civil service through attrition, put a dollar value or a percentage on it, then he may have had something people could get behind. "We can, through retirements and resignation, reduce the size of the civil service by around 15% and save taxpayers $10 billion per year" would be the way to go. The way he put it he was saying "There are going to be a hundred thousand families that suddenly cannot put food on the table". The optics are atrocious and it's the sort of thing an inexperienced middle manager might say at a business seminar. Interestingly that's another thing Hudak resembled.

Hudak saw he had a commanding lead in the polls prior to the campaign beginning and proceeded to blunder he way out of office.

I mean he is not your Machiavelli and shouldn't have taken on Unions so openly, but he is a straight up guy.

The Ontario Liberals took on unions openly, including their biggest supporters, the teachers. And they won a majority. How? The opposition was ineffectual.

I really like the new leader Patrick Brown.

I saw him on the news the other day. He looks like the sort of person who would get scalped by Brad Pitt in Inglourious Basterds.



Look at the guy! He's lacking only a scar on his cheek and maybe an eye patch.

The fact is we need a Mike Harris, Hudak seemed to resemble him not to mention worked under him back in the day.

Mike Harris had something Hudak didn't. An elected government.

What ever the case the finances have to be adjusted, cuts are required and tough choices are needed to be made.

That seems to be the platform for all conservatives. It's also not really true. Ontario is in really good shape economically following a rather nasty recession despite criminally bad management from Dalton McGuinty's Liberals for over a decade. What was needed was a move away from the coziness of a long time party and some changes made in terms of cutting back on politically motivated financial decisions. The PCs needed to move centre and take away the Liberal vote by providing an alternative that would provide better government without any of the corruption that plagued McGuinty's late stewardship. Instead they took a sharp turn to the right, possibly in the mistaken belief that this would be as popular with the rest of Ontario as it was with the Toronto suburbs when Ford got elected. The problem was that Ford had already begun his spectacular public meltdown and had made the notion of cuts-first civil service hacking poisonous.

Liberals winning was a shock.

Yes it was. Horvath is possibly more accountable than Hudak for losing that election. She was well poised to really demolish the Liberal hold on the province by highlighting the way McGuinty turned on the teachers and pointing out that all unions were now at risk from unconstitutional legislation introduced on the basis of political expediency. The NDP could have taken the vote from all of the public sector union members including the provincial, federal and municipal civil servants, teachers, nurses and police by hammering home the point that the Liberals screwed the teachers and for no reason.

Instead we have the foundations being laid for the current teacher strikes.

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He was a clown for engaging in the thoughtless economising of a campaign sloganeer. In fact maybe he was not so much a clown and more of a bungling amateur stage magician, one who fails in his misdirection thus giving away the effect as being disappointing trickery.

The first thing was his million jobs plan. Not so much a plan as a rejected Rob Ford outburst, given that half a million of those "good, well paying jobs" he was going to create were actually temporary contracts of a year or less and therefore the absolute opposite of good jobs, and most of the rest of them were expected without any intervention from the conservatives at all. In fact using the PC's own data it turned out that the total number of jobs created would be closer to 50,000. And that didn't count the 100,000 civil service jobs that Hudak promised to cut, thus managing to spook almost a million public sector union members who may have voted Conservative following the Liberal betrayal of teachers in the run-up to the election

I'll admit I too didn't like that "plan". It sounded kind of childish and given by your evidence it only adds to my disdain, however my main thing with Tories was cuts to public sector, which weren't gonna be made by the other two. When I say Hudak and taking on Unions openly, I mean using words like "Union elite" lol or planning to bring "right to work". Balancing finances is ever important, but Liberals do it more cleverly (no pun intended). A little bit here and a bit there.

And those job cuts. Good grief, if you talk about job cuts in an atmosphere when most job cuts are a result of plant closures and have been devastating entire communities across the province for a decade it's going to make everyone horrified. If he spoke about reducing the size of the civil service through attrition, put a dollar value or a percentage on it, then he may have had something people could get behind. "We can, through retirements and resignation, reduce the size of the civil service by around 15% and save taxpayers $10 billion per year" would be the way to go. The way he put it he was saying "There are going to be a hundred thousand families that suddenly cannot put food on the table". The optics are atrocious and it's the sort of thing an inexperienced middle manager might say at a business seminar. Interestingly that's another thing Hudak resembled.

That was a point raised in the media as well, that why would you glorify cuts in an economic atmosphere like Ontario?

Cost of doing business is a prime factor businesses leave Ontario, province lost 44k manufacturing jobs under Liberals (WallStreetJournal). Just take cost of energy for instance.

Hudak saw he had a commanding lead in the polls prior to the campaign beginning and proceeded to blunder he way out of office.

How to "not" run an election campaign? A good future book title?

The Ontario Liberals took on unions openly, including their biggest supporters, the teachers. And they won a majority. How? The opposition was ineffectual.

Not quite. May be a pretend scripted "take on" like a pro wrestling 3 count, but Liberals just shed $468 Million (Globe&Mail)to calm them down just Nov last year. Included goodies like pay hikes and benefits and all that good stuff, while taking away $100 a month from working disabled to "balance" the books. Pathetic.

I saw him on the news the other day. He looks like the sort of person who would get scalped by Brad Pitt in Inglourious Basterds.


Look at the guy! He's lacking only a scar on his cheek and maybe an eye patch.

LOL, on a serious note he addressed the issue of alienating unions and other groups and is doing Federal Tory play of bringing in ethnic votes, which is a must. He does sound like the man to get it done and hopefully he does.

Mike Harris had something Hudak didn't. An elected government.

Ouch!!!

That seems to be the platform for all conservatives. It's also not really true. Ontario is in really good shape economically following a rather nasty recession despite criminally bad management from Dalton McGuinty's Liberals for over a decade. What was needed was a move away from the coziness of a long time party and some changes made in terms of cutting back on politically motivated financial decisions. The PCs needed to move centre and take away the Liberal vote by providing an alternative that would provide better government without any of the corruption that plagued McGuinty's late stewardship. Instead they took a sharp turn to the right, possibly in the mistaken belief that this would be as popular with the rest of Ontario as it was with the Toronto suburbs when Ford got elected. The problem was that Ford had already begun his spectacular public meltdown and had made the notion of cuts-first civil service hacking poisonous.

The economic outlook being great has more to do with oil prices (consumer confidence), American recovery and dollar value i.e. things that have nothing to do with Lib financial management.

I'm afraid you can't move to center, fact is we need another "Common Sense Revolution".

Yes it was. Horvath is possibly more accountable than Hudak for losing that election. She was well poised to really demolish the Liberal hold on the province by highlighting the way McGuinty turned on the teachers and pointing out that all unions were now at risk from unconstitutional legislation introduced on the basis of political expediency. The NDP could have taken the vote from all of the public sector union members including the provincial, federal and municipal civil servants, teachers, nurses and police by hammering home the point that the Liberals screwed the teachers and for no reason.

Instead we have the foundations being laid for the current teacher strikes.

So, really it was NDP/Tory incompetency than Wynne's genius.

Well, NDP winning would've been a nightmare as Socialists due to their ideological background would've bended over further for Unions.

They're already working on those strikes:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle21653446/

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I don't like this at all.

I work long hours. I work hard. I often like to unwind by going out with my mates getting pissed up, watching some footy and very often acting like a bit of a tit.

If someone recorded some of the shit I've said with my mates at the footy people may well call for me to be sacked. But that's bollox surely? It's just how I unwind at the end of a busy week, it has no reflection on how I behave in a profession environment.

If I want to be a **** in my spare time it's none of my employers damn business.

Are we seriously ok with people being sacked for making off colour remarks at a sporting event? Fuk right off!

No doubt. It wasn't even directed towards her PLUS the guy who got fired was only laughing about it and wasn't the one who actually said it. Notice she "approached" him and asked him questions with a camera, it was a pathetic set up.

However, this should serve as an inspiration to NOT be a 9-5 corporate drone.