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Prime Mike Tyson vs Prime Joe Frazier
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Originally posted by Sheldon312 View PostFrazier did beat Ali. I don't think Prime Tyson stands a chance against that Ali.
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Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View PostWhy, what was so special about him? Ali never fought a fast, powerful HW like Tyson. A slower, not nearly as powerful Frazier dropped him on his ass in that fight. Tyson would have mauled him.
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Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View PostWhy, what was so special about him? Ali never fought a fast, powerful HW like Tyson. A slower, not nearly as powerful Frazier dropped him on his ass in that fight. Tyson would have mauled him.
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Originally posted by Sheldon312 View PostWho did Tyson beat in his prime that makes you so sure he beats any of the great heavyweights.
If you want to talk records, let's have a look at Ali for a moment:
Two fixed fights with Liston, a gift versus Doug Jones, Ken Norton III, Shavers, Young and Chuvalo II, old faded Moore and Patterson who were much smaller, struggled with Wepner, lost to Spinks with 8 fights. Sliced glove versus Cooper. Frazier was much smaller as was Quarry, Blin, Chuvalo, Coopman, Lubbers, and for some reason fought Bugner 2x.
Start looking at the records and size of many of his opponents and who they fought and suddenly the so called greatest doesn't look so legendary inside the ring.
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Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View PostI am speaking from a perspective of skill and capability. A prime Tyson was one of the most explosive HWs ever. Fast, head movement, powerful, relentless. A great finisher.
If you want to talk records, let's have a look at Ali for a moment:
Two fixed fights with Liston, a gift versus Doug Jones, Ken Norton III, Shavers, Young and Chuvalo II, old faded Moore and Patterson who were much smaller, struggled with Wepner, lost to Spinks with 8 fights. Sliced glove versus Cooper. Frazier was much smaller as was Quarry, Blin, Chuvalo, Coopman, Lubbers, and for some reason fought Bugner 2x.
Start looking at the records and size of many of his opponents and who they fought and suddenly the so called greatest doesn't look so legendary inside the ring.
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Originally posted by Sheldon312 View PostOnce again who did Tyson fights in his prime that is even close to anything Ali had to face. I'm sorry, I just don't believe the hype. Did Tyson have skills? Of course. Do I think he is a top 10 heavyweight of all time? Hell No. He never beat a great opponent. He lost to Holyfield and Lewis. He couldnt even beat a Buster Douglas who is no way in hell a Top 15 heavyweight. I'm pretty sure if you placed Ali in that era that he would've beaten both guys(even though I feel they would've beaten him too had Ali offered them a rematch) Skills are important don't get me wrong but who you faced matters as well.
Go to look at some of the no-hopers on his resume. Then check the resume of his opponents. Frazier was really his biggest and best wins and they took as much out of him as they did Frazier.
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