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Originally posted by Boxing Logic
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Yeah but who is Canelo? Elite handspeed for 160 and good power, but not the stamina to use either consistently for 12 rounds. 5'8 middleweight. Below average reach just like GGG. He beat Canelo with volume and jabs more than anything. Underrated skill and fundamentals, too, yes, but it wasn't an impressive performance. It looked like one prime guy with major stamina issues facing an old fighter who had no business beating him except for the fact his stamina issues were that awful. GGG-Canelo was never supposed to be a big legacy fight for GGG, it was just supposed to be the stepping stone vs the very good, not elite, but very good, and extremely POPULAR, Canelo, in order to make GGG a big enough star that he could actually get top opponents in the ring with him immediately afterwards. GGG was supposed to knock out Canelo or another big star by 2014 at the latest, then fight Saunders immediately afterwards to unify all 4 belts, then move up to 168 to do the same there and really solidify an ATG legacy for himself. But GGG-Canelo took so long to materialize that it's basically become GGG's one and only legacy fight, a huge disappointment, and in that time Canelo has seemed to develop into more of a quality opponent worthy of being a legacy fight, perhaps with the help of PEDs.
Well, top opponent, that is, except for the lack of stamina.
I've written so much on this topic already, let me just say it like this. Yes, GGG beat Jacobs and Canelo, barely, but in GGG's last 29 rounds not counting Vanes, he has 1 knockdown, 1, in 29 rounds, and that was a flash knockdown. He's basically gone 30 rounds now, 5 of them vs a welterweight, without scoring a real knockdown. And why not? Because he's actually gone 30 straight rounds vs those guys barely landing a clean power shot. A few here and there, but very few. Also, very few clean body shots vs those guys either. He used to be as good at these things as anyone in the game, whereas now it's a complete struggle for him. If that's not major decline, what is?
And it's not even like it's Floyd Mayweather he fought. He fought three guys actually more known for offense than defense in Brook, Jacobs, and Canelo. Yes all three are skillful particularly Brook and Canelo, but none of them are known as truly elite defensive boxers like a Lomachenko or Lara. But you never would have known that the way they were constantly making GGG miss. GGG made them all look like Pernell Whitaker the way they were dodging and rolling his punches and making it look like he was punching in slow motion. Wait, no, he essentially was! They didn't make him look anything. If you go look at the hooks GGG was throwing in just the 5th round of the Canelo, Jacobs, OR Brook fights, and you compare them to the hooks GGG was throwing in the LATTER rounds vs Murray or Ouma (his only other fights to go deep), you will see that GGG had way more snap and explosiveness on his punches LATE in fights earlier in his career than he does now EARLY in fights.
And if you watch Artorius boxing video of GGG in the amateurs, before he was even fully developed, the top comment says "wow GGG used to be fast, what did Abel do to him?" or something like that. And GGG should have gotten FASTER going to the pros in smaller gloves, not slower, so that really says something.
Or if you watch GGG-Brook, Bernard Hopkins, Canelo's own promoter, is commentating and he says, "it looks like GGG has no snap on his punches," like he's pushing his punches. GGG looked so old even by then that everyone speculated he had the flu. Then everyone said he took it easy on Jacobs in order to lure Canelo. There is always an excuse now every time he looks subpar because people can't admit he's declined. It's the same as when Pacquiao got into his thirties, there was always an excuse about why his performances weren't as good, with Roach saying he didn't want to hurt his opponent because of religion and stuff like that.
In reality, he was just declining. People are saying GGG took it easy on Canelo too in order to lure the rematch. Always some sort of excuse now when in reality, GGG had no flu vs Brook. He wasn't taking it easy vs Jacobs. That's my whole point, GGG has declined so much now that healthy GGG now looks like prime GGG with the flu. In fact, we saw prime GGG vs the flu against Gabe Rosado, and prime GGG with the flu was better than current GGG healthy. That's how much he has declined. And BHop mentioned that again after the Canelo fight, saying GGG has slowed down and he can't beat my guy now, there's nothing he can do new because he is slowing down. Team Canelo waited him out to full effect, it's Mayweather-Pacquiao all over again, boxing screws it up yet again, this time with the fight that was supposed to be the apology, the make up to the fans, for Mayweather-Pacquiao, but has somehow turned into a carbon copy of Mayweather-Pacquiao all over again in the most important ways (the age of the fighters). In fact GGG right now is the exact same age that Pacquiao was when Floyd fought him, and you can argue that Pacquiao was actually closer to his prime at that point than GGG is now. At least 36 year old Pacquiao still showed the ability to dominate fast boxers like Bradley and Algieri and land clean, explosive power punches. GGG has gone 30 straight rounds now, other than 2 years out the ring Vanes, without being able to do that with any consistency against three separate opponents, none of whom are even defensive specialists (although Canelo is getting there).
Well, top opponent, that is, except for the lack of stamina.
I've written so much on this topic already, let me just say it like this. Yes, GGG beat Jacobs and Canelo, barely, but in GGG's last 29 rounds not counting Vanes, he has 1 knockdown, 1, in 29 rounds, and that was a flash knockdown. He's basically gone 30 rounds now, 5 of them vs a welterweight, without scoring a real knockdown. And why not? Because he's actually gone 30 straight rounds vs those guys barely landing a clean power shot. A few here and there, but very few. Also, very few clean body shots vs those guys either. He used to be as good at these things as anyone in the game, whereas now it's a complete struggle for him. If that's not major decline, what is?
And it's not even like it's Floyd Mayweather he fought. He fought three guys actually more known for offense than defense in Brook, Jacobs, and Canelo. Yes all three are skillful particularly Brook and Canelo, but none of them are known as truly elite defensive boxers like a Lomachenko or Lara. But you never would have known that the way they were constantly making GGG miss. GGG made them all look like Pernell Whitaker the way they were dodging and rolling his punches and making it look like he was punching in slow motion. Wait, no, he essentially was! They didn't make him look anything. If you go look at the hooks GGG was throwing in just the 5th round of the Canelo, Jacobs, OR Brook fights, and you compare them to the hooks GGG was throwing in the LATTER rounds vs Murray or Ouma (his only other fights to go deep), you will see that GGG had way more snap and explosiveness on his punches LATE in fights earlier in his career than he does now EARLY in fights.
And if you watch Artorius boxing video of GGG in the amateurs, before he was even fully developed, the top comment says "wow GGG used to be fast, what did Abel do to him?" or something like that. And GGG should have gotten FASTER going to the pros in smaller gloves, not slower, so that really says something.
Or if you watch GGG-Brook, Bernard Hopkins, Canelo's own promoter, is commentating and he says, "it looks like GGG has no snap on his punches," like he's pushing his punches. GGG looked so old even by then that everyone speculated he had the flu. Then everyone said he took it easy on Jacobs in order to lure Canelo. There is always an excuse now every time he looks subpar because people can't admit he's declined. It's the same as when Pacquiao got into his thirties, there was always an excuse about why his performances weren't as good, with Roach saying he didn't want to hurt his opponent because of religion and stuff like that.
In reality, he was just declining. People are saying GGG took it easy on Canelo too in order to lure the rematch. Always some sort of excuse now when in reality, GGG had no flu vs Brook. He wasn't taking it easy vs Jacobs. That's my whole point, GGG has declined so much now that healthy GGG now looks like prime GGG with the flu. In fact, we saw prime GGG vs the flu against Gabe Rosado, and prime GGG with the flu was better than current GGG healthy. That's how much he has declined. And BHop mentioned that again after the Canelo fight, saying GGG has slowed down and he can't beat my guy now, there's nothing he can do new because he is slowing down. Team Canelo waited him out to full effect, it's Mayweather-Pacquiao all over again, boxing screws it up yet again, this time with the fight that was supposed to be the apology, the make up to the fans, for Mayweather-Pacquiao, but has somehow turned into a carbon copy of Mayweather-Pacquiao all over again in the most important ways (the age of the fighters). In fact GGG right now is the exact same age that Pacquiao was when Floyd fought him, and you can argue that Pacquiao was actually closer to his prime at that point than GGG is now. At least 36 year old Pacquiao still showed the ability to dominate fast boxers like Bradley and Algieri and land clean, explosive power punches. GGG has gone 30 straight rounds now, other than 2 years out the ring Vanes, without being able to do that with any consistency against three separate opponents, none of whom are even defensive specialists (although Canelo is getting there).
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