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  • What evil lurks in the brain? German neurologist says he's found a 'dark patch' Read

    It may be long but an interesting article to share.

    After studying the brains of violent killers, rapists and robbers, German neurologist Gerhard Roth claims to have found a “dark patch” in the center of the brain -- he calls it the evil spot, a genetic source of violent behavior.

    Roth, a professor at the University of Bremen, told Germany news site Bild.de that he had shown short films to criminals and measured their brain activity. A small section at the front of their brains showed no reaction to violent scenes; it remained "dark" when shown dark scenes.

    "Whenever there were brutal and squalid scenes, the subjects showed no emotions. In the areas of the brain where we create compassion and sorrow, nothing happened,” Roth said.

    BioEdge, a blog dedicated to bioethics news, translated Roth's German into English: “This is definitely the region of the brain where evil is formed and where it lurks.”

    Not so fast. Human behavior, affect and emotion is likely a far more intricate thing, explained Dr. Steven Galetta, chairman of the neurology department at the NYU School of Medicine.


    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/...#ixzz2KdxoOKyi

    “People look at the blood flow to one area and they say, ‘aha, this is the evil patch.’ It’s probably a lot more complex than that,” Galetta told FoxNews.com.
    “Certain areas are likely important for certain behaviors, certain attitudes. But it’s probably not as simple as X marks the spot for a particular behavior.”

    Roth’s study, according to Bild.de, was conducted for the German government on violent convicted offenders. He said the dark mass that he has identified appears in all CT scans of people with such records -- and taking it out ended their “evil” behavior.

    Roth did not respond to FoxNews.com requests for more details on his study.
    Terre Constantine, executive director of the Brain Research Foundation and the former director of the Jack Miller Center for Peripheral Neuropathy, expressed skepticism at the report, but agreed that brain abnormalities such as tumors can affect behavior.

    “It absolutely can affect the brain and your personality and how you communicate. And it can make you aggressive -- not all tumors, of course: it depends where it is,” Constantine told FoxNews.com.

    Her foundation, which funds research into neuroscience seeking to understand the brain’s workings, has aided research similar to Roth's with more advanced imaging techniques.

    One recent study from a University of Chicago researcher studied parenting behavior. It found activity in the amygdala -- a portion of the brain connected to the limbic system -- correlated to parenting style. It “lit up” in the brains of normal mothers, while “harsh parents” didn’t react to scenes of bad parenting.
    “There’s clearly differences in the brain depending on what sort of disease or abnormality a person has,” she told FoxNews.com. And many things can cause abnormal behaviors. “They’re either wired differently or there might be some disease that’s causing the brain to atrophy.”

    But Constantine agreed with Galetta: Complex topics and behaviors are likely linked to other areas of the brain, rather than concentrated in one “evil area.”

    “I would argue it’s probably not the only “evil” spot,” she said. “There are other areas in the brain, there are lots of … empathy areas or violent areas or just social reaction areas within the brain.”
    “This may be one of the spots, but I’d be surprised if it’s the spot.”


    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/...#ixzz2KdxcPWna

  • #2
    very interesting article mate...

    but i think to truly appreciate the article, one must read the basics about the subject first... (neuroscience)

    carl sagan's dragons of eden would be the perfect bedrock for the neuroscience geek in anyone... nothing fancy about the book... any layman could understand it...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by led* View Post
      It may be long but an interesting article to share.
      Correlation and causation though. Is the "dark patch" the cause of an easy attitude to violence or does an inoculation to violence cause the"dark patch"? Could you make a person inured to violence by creating this "dark patch"?

      What were his controls? Did he just study psychopaths and criminals or did he study people with no such pathology as well?

      Interesting to read but it wouldn't be the first time that Dr Roth left himself open to criticism for making claims that are grander than the research can justify.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by squealpiggy View Post
        Correlation and causation though. Is the "dark patch" the cause of an easy attitude to violence or does an inoculation to violence cause the"dark patch"? Could you make a person inured to violence by creating this "dark patch"?

        What were his controls? Did he just study psychopaths and criminals or did he study people with no such pathology as well?

        Interesting to read but it wouldn't be the first time that Dr Roth left himself open to criticism for making claims that are grander than the research can justify.
        so, you encountered dr. roth before? what was the study he was doing when you first read about him?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by talip bin osman View Post
          so, you encountered dr. roth before? what was the study he was doing when you first read about him?
          Innate differences in the musical, mathematical and spatial abilities of young boys and girls based on brain scans. He's been criticised for taking very simple ideas and extrapolating them to complex systems.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by squealpiggy View Post
            Innate differences in the musical, mathematical and spatial abilities of young boys and girls based on brain scans. He's been criticised for taking very simple ideas and extrapolating them to complex systems.
            hmmm... maybe its deliberate... you know for notoriety...

            anyway, tnx piggy...

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            • #7
              Well I haven't been able to locate the study itself (and it'd probably be in German anyway) but he's given some interviews to odd places. Like the Daily Mail for example. So he strikes me as being a bit... science by press release.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by squealpiggy View Post
                Correlation and causation though. Is the "dark patch" the cause of an easy attitude to violence or does an inoculation to violence cause the"dark patch"? Could you make a person inured to violence by creating this "dark patch"?

                What were his controls? Did he just study psychopaths and criminals or did he study people with no such pathology as well?

                Interesting to read but it wouldn't be the first time that Dr Roth left himself open to criticism for making claims that are grander than the research can justify.
                Perhaps he left himself open to criticism.

                My point in sharing this is that it adds up to other researches regarding anti-social behavior and its relation to the function of the brain. Like this one from http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.o...1503/2557.full

                The current paper examines the functional contributions of the amygdala and ventromedial prefrontal cortex (vmPFC) and the evidence that the functioning of these systems is compromised in individuals with psychopathy. The amygdala is critical for the formation of stimulus–reinforcement associations, both punishment and reward based, and the processing of emotional expressions. vmPFC is critical for the representation of reinforcement expectancies and, owing to this, decision making. Neuropsychological and neuroimaging data from individuals with psychopathy are examined. It is concluded that these critical functions of the amygdala and vmPFC, and their interaction, are compromised in individuals with the disorder. It is argued that these impairments lead to the development of psychopathy.

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                • #9
                  Oh there's no doubt that damage to come brain functions can leave originally functional human beings moody and violent. It's just that trying to narrow down "evil" to one specific brain region sounds a bit like pseudoscience.

                  Plus I have a problem with the word "evil".

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