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Old 11-22-2019, 10:03 AM #11
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Said the guy who was chinny his whole career and was easily concussed too! Yet he came back to win 2 rematches. Lennox-rahman/mccall, holyfield-bowe/moorer are probably perfect examples of putting the myth that rematches always go the same way, to rest.

Lennox and evander are known pbc trolls, wilder lovers and hardcore aj haters. There is nothing unbiased in what they say, everything is biased
Lewis wasn't chinny. The two punches that knocked him out were big punches, thrown by big punchers. He took big shots from fighters like Mercer, Holyfield, Briggs and Klitschko, and he took them well. Any fighter, especially at HW, can be knocked out.
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Old 11-22-2019, 11:43 AM #12
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All will see AJ's sweet science in action in 2020 ... fury , wilder , ruiz: will all be retired in 2020, having all lost! And Lennox will lose significant credibility in 2020. After the hungry lion will roars again on dec7!
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Old 11-22-2019, 11:45 AM #13
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All will see AJ's sweet science in action in 2020 ... fury , wilder , ruiz: will all be retired in 2020, having all lost! And Lennox will lose significant credibility in 2020. After the hungry lion roars again on dec7!
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Old 11-22-2019, 12:07 PM #14
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Lewis wasn't chinny. The two punches that knocked him out were big punches, thrown by big punchers. He took big shots from fighters like Mercer, Holyfield, Briggs and Klitschko, and he took them well. Any fighter, especially at HW, can be knocked out.
Always cool when someone writes exactly what you were thinking. Anyway, second it. Definitely not chinny.
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Old 11-22-2019, 12:32 PM #15
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The man can fight but he's 10 years past his prime. he'll take so much and then he's done.

The way it plays out:
If Ortiz doesn't get clipped early I expect the fight to look competitive until he slows. When he eventually goes down he'll stay there because he's there for the paycheck 1st, supremacy 2nd. Ortiz's corner knows he won't quit but they won't want him to take a lot of punishment. It's a young mans sport, Ortiz will collect his check and fight 1 or 2 gate keepers and he's done.

Personally, I would like to see Ortiz leave the sport rather than see these lessor YOUNGER fighters beat him.

Prime for Prime I'd bet Ortiz but that's just not an option. Nobody fights prime fighters anymore.
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Old 11-22-2019, 12:42 PM #16
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PBC is most certainly business first, fighter then sport in that order.

That said, Al picked Ortiz for a reason, he's old. Al doesn't need to do anything more than match Wilder at the right time.

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Do you really think Haymon will let Ortiz win and set up a peanut making Ortiz vs Kownacki yawn? No. Haymon has this rigged and Ortiz is diving early. All of Haymon's money is invested in Wilder to get to 50-0 and hundred million dollar paydays. Ortiz generates nothing.

It's simple. Follow the money. PBC is business in disguise of sport.
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Old 11-22-2019, 01:10 PM #17
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PBC is most certainly business first, fighter then sport in that order.

That said, Al picked Ortiz for a reason, he's old. Al doesn't need to do anything more than match Wilder at the right time.
Haymon has no one with a name or any value or cred to match against Wilder, only old man Ortiz who would probably beat the big fraud in a real uncorrupted fight.

The PBC mafia even tried to say Joshua ducked Ortiz, which was proven false when Hearn offered $8m to Ortiz to fight AJ and Ortiz was forced by Haymon to turn it down and take $1.5m to fight Wilder rematch LOL
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Old 11-22-2019, 01:12 PM #18
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Ortiz turning down $8m to fight Joshua to take $1.5m vs Wilder tells you everything. Ortiz is a pawn totally controlled by Haymon for the use of diving against Wilder.
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Old 11-22-2019, 01:35 PM #19
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Yippee, so excited for America's version of Joshua-Whyte 2
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Old 11-22-2019, 01:40 PM #20
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Ortiz turning down $8m to fight Joshua to take $1.5m vs Wilder tells you everything. Ortiz is a pawn totally controlled by Haymon for the use of diving against Wilder.
Its fishy indeed. Wilder & Ortiz didn't even have the mandatory open workouts this week.PBC thought "No need to do them when the fight is fixed anyway."
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