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Old 11-12-2019, 06:22 PM #61
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Yeah, but really, when you look closely, who really has the definitive claim as the #1, without question, best fighter of all time? I think it's debatable.

P.S. No, I not only think prime Pacquiao was better, but I also think prime Roy Jones was better.
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Old 11-12-2019, 06:25 PM #63
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Old 11-12-2019, 06:26 PM #64
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Yeah, but really, when you look closely, who really has the definitive claim as the #1, without question, best fighter of all time? I think it's debatable.

P.S. No, I not only think prime Pacquiao was better, but I also think prime Roy Jones was better.
Definitive...thatís a big word. The stock answer is, of course, SRR, but Ali often gets mentioned as the GOAT. I see what youíre saying, and I agree, the choices are debatable. I just donít see Floyd as TBE.
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Old 11-12-2019, 06:33 PM #65
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Definitive...thatís a big word. The stock answer is, of course, SRR, but Ali often gets mentioned as the GOAT. I see what youíre saying, and I agree, the choices are debatable. I just donít see Floyd as TBE.
I don't either based on a few things but his resume' is ridiculously stacked and even though he didn't fight everyone at their peaks, he did fight almost everyone who was somewhat a threat to him in a couple era's. His claim to be a threat to beat any WW ever is legit. I really think it is.
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Liston was made out to be some monster by historians and acted like Ali's win was some ATG feat but when I analyze Liston's record, he was basically less accomplished than John Ruiz and lost several times in his prime
Liston lost his eighth fight, an eight-rounder, by SD, then didnít lose again until the two Ali fights (numbers 37 and 38). From there he lost his 54th fight, which was his second-to-last bout before retiring. A total of four losses. (Yes, I just looked this up. Lol) I know Liston was the Tyson of his day, but I canít pretend to know what all his opponents were like. I do know that Sonny is generally in or near the top-ten lists of greatest heavyweights. I take it you donít agree.
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I don't either based on a few things but his resume' is ridiculously stacked and even though he didn't fight everyone at their peaks, he did fight almost everyone who was somewhat a threat to him in a couple era's. His claim to be a threat to beat any WW ever is legit. I really think it is.
His resume is hard to top, thatís for certain. Iíll always give him that. The skills and talent, also top-notch. A threat to any WW ever? In theory, yes. But thatís where I start to turn from Floyd. I donít think he wouldíve made it past Leonard or Hearns, for instance. And I donít think he wouldíve beaten Duran at 135. Just my opinion, of course. Itís just very hard to claim youíre the best ever.
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The guy who won an Olympic medal and has been a pro for 11 years but has only 1 legit world level win...

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