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Old 09-16-2018, 04:56 AM #1
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Since the first fight the usual suspects are saying Canelo won because of landing more powershots and landing the more eyecatching shots (which I don't think was the case tonight with the later),

Why they don't take into consideration that Golovkin is always throwing thunderous power jabs putting all the weight behind them by pushing off the backfoot with an intent to hurt you with it, and was scoring it at will, constantly, more than twice as Canelo? Now, the reason every other punch than jab is called a powerpunch is because the boxers are usually throwing flick jabs (like Canrlo is doing) and use it as a set up, distraction or a range finder. Golovkin is putting all his weight behind it by pushing it forward off his backfoot, plus coupled with his punching power, it's not like he was landing some weak ass jabs. And he was killing Canelo for 24 rounds with it.

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Old 09-16-2018, 05:01 AM #2
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Since the first fight the usual suspects are saying Canelo won because of landing more powershots and landing the more eyecatching shots (which I don't think was the case tonight with the later),

Why they son't take into consideration that Golovkin is always throwing thunderous power jabs putting all the weight behind them by pushing off the backfoot and was scoring more twice as Canelo? Now, the reason every other punch than jab is called a powerpunch is because the boxers are usually throwing a flick jabs (like Canrlo is doing) and use it as a set up, distraction or a range finder. Golovkin is putting all his weight behind it by pushing it forward off his backfoot, plus coupled with his punching power, it's not like he was landing some weak ass jabs. And he was killing Canelo for 24 rounds with it.

So you are non-discrimnantly deciding that every jab he throws Is a statistical error since they are really haymakers.
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Old 09-16-2018, 05:02 AM #3
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these are the same people that say floyd schooled pac with his jab even though it was barely grazing pac and pac was catching him much cleaner with power shots.

they dont care they dont care they dont care. they like guys and they will say whatever they think validates those guys and it is ever changing.
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Old 09-16-2018, 05:05 AM #4
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So you are non-discrimnantly deciding that every jab he throws Is a statistical error since they are really haymakers.
They aren't as hard as hard as his hooks and overhand right, but you are ignoring my point, just compare his jabs with Canelo's (who fought a, great fight and has a lot of heart) and tell me they are anything near?
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Old 09-16-2018, 05:07 AM #5
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these are the same people that say floyd schooled pac with his jab even though it was barely grazing pac and pac was catching him much cleaner with power shots.

they dont care they dont care they dont care. they like guys and they will say whatever they think validates those guys and it is ever changing.
This statement doesn’t just make hypocrites out of your opponents but of yourself as well.. if you think about it hard enough
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Old 09-16-2018, 05:11 AM #6
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So you are non-discrimnantly deciding that every jab he throws Is a statistical error since they are really haymakers.
i think hes saying its a little more nuanced than lumping punches into 2 categories. its not like basketball where there are 2 pointers and 3 pointers and obviously 3 is more than 2 so thats better. it doesnt work that way in boxing because sometimes a good jab is better than a power punch and vice versa.

these numbers or ideas about what jabs or power punches are dont give us the "story of the fight" if you will(copyright hbo). thats why compubox numbers are so poisonous. on top of being inaccurate they are built upon your particular preconceived notions of what a jab is. for some people a jab is just a lil feather duster punch that makes no real impact like floyds against pac. so when you have that in mind and say ggg landed 200 jabs its like so? that punch sucks.

when you say someone landed 150 power punches well that just sounds awesome cause it has the word power in it. in reality a jab can have as much power in it or more than a landed power punch depending on how its thrown, where it lands, etc...some power punches are really lame
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i think hes saying its a little more nuanced than lumping punches into 2 categories. its not like basketball where there are 2 pointers and 3 pointers and obviously 3 is more than 2 so thats better. it doesnt work that way in boxing because sometimes a good jab is better than a power punch and vice versa.

these numbers or ideas about what jabs or power punches are dont give us the "story of the fight" if you will(copyright hbo). thats why compubox numbers are so poisonous. on top of being inaccurate they are built upon your particular preconceived notions of what a jab is. for some people a jab is just a lil feather duster punch that makes no real impact like floyds against pac. so when you have that in mind and say ggg landed 200 jabs its like so? that punch sucks.

when you say someone landed 150 power punches well that just sounds awesome cause it has the word power in it. in reality a jab can have as much power in it or more than a landed power punch depending on how its thrown, where it lands, etc...some power punches are really lame
Did you see Golovkin face?
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yeah you are right, the jab he throws is harder than a lot of the punches classed as power shots. but they are gonna take that loss and run with it, its christmas come early for a lot of these retards, i dont blame the mexicans for getting excited and being bias but half the guys doing it on here arent even canelo fans.
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Did you see Golovkin face?
so canelo won because look at ggg's face after the fight? boxers aren't stock cars. their faces react differently based on genetics. this once again takes any nuance out of boxing and reduces it to "look at his face!!!" this same argument i have seen argued against by people that now are pro canelo. they would say facial damage doesn't matter cause it really doesn't(unless it stops the fight in your favor)

in reality if you hit a person just right with any punch it can swell his(or her in floyds case) entire face up. on the other hand you can wail away with power punches to the side of his head and barely see anything sometimes. did we find out the winner based on looking at their faces afterwards? maybe in street fighting for neighborhood pride that would work but luckily we have video of the events that transpired and not just the aftermath to make a more informed decision.
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