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Old 03-29-2020, 03:57 PM #61
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So how's that weave coming?



You're the only one who takes Maxine seriously.

While I piss off a lot of people it's simply because I cant tolerate idiots and I owe it to the sport I love to purge it of its lesser element of fans. Either get better, or get out.


And the only reason anyone else here engages Maxine is the guilty pleasure we have of excoriating her. She posts drivel for precisely that reason: to get attention. Too bad she can't give it as well as she takes it.
So that's it. Your grand scheme is to get me to leave this site....by allowing me to beat up on you from thread to thread and goad you into embarrassing yourself?


You're even stupider than I thought.


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Old 03-29-2020, 04:11 PM #62
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So that's it. Your grand scheme is to get me to leave this site....by allowing me to beat up on you from thread to thread and goad you into embarrassing yourself?


You're even stupider than I thought.


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Yeah, cuz that is what guilyy pleasure means.

LMAO! Proving my point yet again. You got into Law School (and maybe even graduated), but don't even know what "guilty pleasure" means... what i said little cum dumpster. No wonder you think cuz i **** you I must love you.

If you left us who'd say stupid things like:

BABY Kimbo (aka Ray "I can handle the heat " Robinson) is on par with lomachenko?

That Sullivan ducked Peter Jackson?


That Dempsey ducked Wills?

Look at the joy your primitive brain has brought us.

Who'd wanna lose that?
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Old 03-29-2020, 04:16 PM #63
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I owe it to the sport I love to purge it of its lesser element of fans. Either get better, or get out.
That's perfect, Rusty. Perfect. Then you wouldn't mind a little challenge, huh?

I have a great idea if you want to get me banned off of this site. We can play the ever so popular "Permanent Ban" challenge. We can pick a topic that has been a point of contention between us, like say...."Lomachenko is P4P Greater than Sugar Ray Robinson." Or "Tommy Gibbons is P4P Greater than Sam Langford." or "Peter Jackson ducked John L. Sullivan." We choose 3 unbiased judges, present our case, and the loser agrees to leave the site forever. Or at least leave the History section forever, since often judges are reluctant to vote in a poll that forces someone to leave the entire site.

I'll even let you chose from amongst the above topics since you claimed you gave me an asswhoopin over them, and I claim that you completely embarrassed yourself over them. Let's see who is right.

Don't back down now, Rusty. Whatddaya say? And trust me, I think this board might love to get at least one of us removed from around these parts. Now's the time to stand up for boxing. You down?
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I see you posted above me already and you added in this topic about Wills and Dempsey. Feel free to add that amongst your choices. Choose wisely, dumbo. You in?

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Old 03-29-2020, 04:35 PM #64
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I'd love to explain how I feel about all of this. A certain group of people always feel like I have evil intentions when I discuss this issue. It's simply not true. I have only been trying to do one thing with regards to this topic, and that's to reveal the truth. I never tried to sway anyone's mind about Dempsey. I believe Dempsey was a great fighter myself, and I've quite enjoyed reading about him in my research. His life was rather fascinating, and for the record, not only do I think the guy was nothing near a racist, I don't even think he cared much about race...to a certain extent.

From this point on is all my speculation. No, I don't believe that Dempsey feared Wills. I've said this repeatedly but that certain group of people I referenced above feel that if you say something negative about someone, even if it is the truth, then you're a "hater." I suppose they even add in race because apparently that's what's on their minds, and call me a "white fighter hater." But to the point, if you read their posts you'll often see them accusing me of saying Dempsey feared Wills. Come on. I don't believe boxers fear other boxers. Point blank period. Also, how many people must each of these guys have had around them all day every day saying how great they are? Do you really believe Jack Dempsey thought there was a man he couldn't beat at that particular time? I don't. However, and this is where race does come in, I personally believe that he felt the pressure from others regarding race. I don't think he wanted to risk his legacy becoming that of Jim Jefferies. Does anyone believe he wants to go through life with people saying, "Yo Jack. Hey man, you were great. But damn, why did you let down the white race like that?" It seems obvious to me that having that extra pressure, not because of his own beliefs, but because of so many people who think like that at that particular time, it was more than enough to make him swerve it. Some men are built for it, like Tommy Burns for example that gave Jack Johnson his shot, and some men couldn't handle it. And that is indeed a lot to handle if you let it get to you. Didn't Dempsey's wife call Wills a "slack jawed n-word." Would he be able to look her into the eyes the same way ever again after losing to a Black man? Dempsey didn't agree with the racist bs, but I think he felt the pressure. I mean aren't the signs there? He said he'd fight ANY man at MSG, declined when it turned out to be Joe Jeannette, and then said he'd instead fight any TWO white men.

Of course I could be wrong and maybe he did fear him, but personally I think he did not want to possibly go out like Jim Jefferies (and him even contemplating losing shows his respect for Harry Wills pedigree). He'd much rather be John L. Sullivan. Isn't it obvious since I've shown that Dempsey told Wills after awhile that he won't fight him for the championship, but will fight him in a winner take all match....and John L. Sullivan said the same damn thing to Peter Jackson. THE EXACT SAME RUSE. Do you really think Dempsey just came up with that out of the blue???? Wasn't John L. Sullivan the first one famous for drawing the color line, or at least of the most well known for doing so?

So the irony is, I think Jack Dempsey swerved Harry Wills because of people like Rusty Tromboni. How the fvvck a racist piece of shlt like Rusty Tromboni exists in 2020 is beyond me!

Anyway, after I've presented time and time again the information that I've found, which is obviously pretty damn sound if I do say so myself, that group feels they have to go into defense mode. But we usually get down to the last line of defense: to say it doesn't matter that Dempsey swerved Wills because Dempsey would have won. Opinions about who would win the fight are just a way to deflect from the truth that Jack Dempsey ducked Harry Wills. Even if no one thought Wills could win, he deserved his shot. Boxing at that level isn't about the eye test, but the intangibles. Who will overcome adversity? Who will "figure out" their opponent. Whose mind is quicker? What adjustments are made? Wills obviously had the qualities of a great fighter because he was able to channel those intangibles at a high level, and against better competition than Dempsey even. Dempsey obviously has what it takes. The fight should have happened and we were robbed.

But no one should ever forget that Harry Wills was robbed far more than any one of us. His legacy deserves THE TRUTH. And nothing less. So I don't apologize for spreading the information that I've found, no matter who gets upset by it. No matter who calls me a racist (fvucking ridiculous).

It's the truth. What can I say? Like the Nature Boy, Ric Flair said, "If you don't like it. Learn to love it."

Dempsey likely went back and forth with himself about taking the fight, which is why there were these hiccups. Klompton seems to think they were always set ups by Dempsey and gang. I think Dempsey sincerely tried to make the fight with Fitz as promoter (and later the Chicago Coliseum Club), but once he realized that it was then REALLY a reality, he backed down and backed out. At least that's what history tells me. Some will add their own spin and say history tells them otherwise, but that still doesn't change the facts: The contract was valid. It was followed to a T by the promoter. The money was there. Dempsey stepped.

If 'you' don't like it......
Actually the quote is "If you don't like it, learn to live with it."
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Actually the quote is "If you don't like it, learn to live with it."
Aw man. I think me and my boy have been quoting him wrong all along.

He was one of my favorite wrestlers, even as a "white fighter hater." Woooooooo!


Good looking out on the correction!.....and for reading that far!

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Aw man. I think me and my boy have been quoting him wrong all along.

He was one of my favorite wrestlers, even as a "white fighter hater." Woooooooo!


Good looking out on the correction!.....and for reading that far!
Did you see the ESPN 30 for 30 called Nature Boy? It's a pretty good one. It ends with them mentioning his son Reid and how he was getting into the business until his death of a drug overdose at 25, which inspired his daughter Ashley to get into the business. She performs now in WWE as Charlotte, I guess because Ric was billed from Charlotte, North Carolina most of his career and she's already been pushed to the moon in the few years she's been with the promotion. She's already a 10 time champion, almost as many as her dad's 16 or so. Has almost as many divorces as him too.
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That's perfect, Rusty. Perfect. Then you wouldn't mind a little challenge, huh?

I have a great idea if you want to get me banned off of this site. We can play the ever so popular "Permanent Ban" challenge. We can pick a topic that has been a point of contention between us, like say...."Lomachenko is P4P Greater than Sugar Ray Robinson." Or "Tommy Gibbons is P4P Greater than Sam Langford." or "Peter Jackson ducked John L. Sullivan." We choose 3 unbiased judges, present our case, and the loser agrees to leave the site forever. Or at least leave the History section forever, since often judges are reluctant to vote in a poll that forces someone to leave the entire site.

I'll even let you chose from amongst the above topics since you claimed you gave me an asswhoopin over them, and I claim that you completely embarrassed yourself over them. Let's see who is right.

Don't back down now, Rusty. Whatddaya say? And trust me, I think this board might love to get at least one of us removed from around these parts. Now's the time to stand up for boxing. You down?
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I see you posted above me already and you added in this topic about Wills and Dempsey. Feel free to add that amongst your choices. Choose wisely, dumbo. You in?
1) it's adorable that you still don't know what "guilty pleasure" means.

And you say that you went to Law School!?
I didn't know Ringling Bros. Clown School had a Law School.
90% of law school is about research. You couldn't find out what guilty pleasure means?

2) you're assuming I take seriously enough to actually want to have a real dialogue with you.

3) You're pretending I haven't proven you thoroughly wrong every time I've ever bothered to engage you. Unlike you, I base my arguments on evidence. Something about cobbling together different news articles and trying to peddle my own fantastical interpretations as fact just never appealed to me. And even if it did, who could contend with your masterpieces?
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1) it's adorable that you still don't know what "guilty pleasure" means.

And you say that you went to Law School!?
I didn't know Ringling Bros. Clown School had a Law School.
90% of law school is about research. You couldn't find out what guilty pleasure means?

2) you're assuming I take seriously enough to actually want to have a real dialogue with you.

3) You're pretending I haven't proven you thoroughly wrong every time I've ever bothered to engage you. Unlike you, I base my arguments on evidence. Something about cobbling together different news articles and trying to peddle my own fantastical interpretations as fact just never appealed to me. And even if it did, who could contend with your masterpieces?
So you're bowing down to suck my dlck is what you're saying? Too pvssy to step up and put your account on the line for what you claim to believe, hmmmm?


Don't be such a pvssy. You said you want to rid this place of me. Well here's your chance, bltch boy.

I knew you'd bow down to me. Turns out that even you don't believe the bullshlt you say
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Now I'm going to give you one more chance to show that you have a pair, son. Accept the challenge or duck me like Dempsey did Wills and Sullivan did Jackson.
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Did you see the ESPN 30 for 30 called Nature Boy? It's a pretty good one. It ends with them mentioning his son Reid and how he was getting into the business until his death of a drug overdose at 25, which inspired his daughter Ashley to get into the business. She performs now in WWE as Charlotte, I guess because Ric was billed from Charlotte, North Carolina most of his career and she's already been pushed to the moon in the few years she's been with the promotion. She's already a 10 time champion, almost as many as her dad's 16 or so. Has almost as many divorces as him too.
I haven't seen it, but I definitely want to. I haven't watched much television for years and I didn't even know they had a 30 for 30 on him. Good stuff man! I'm definitely gonna check it!
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