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Old 02-28-2020, 11:42 PM #31
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When he came back after four years and without even taking a tuneup went out and beat the complete dog**** out of Sam Peter and won back his belt....**** man, it was unreal to watch at the time.
but was sam peter good? i can't really think of anyone good that he beat. a near 40 james toney? a fight that he should have lost the first time. a near 40 maskaev? getting floored by a near 40 mccline? i think people fell for the hype because he floored a wlad who was still in the process of developing his clinching cheater strategy.
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Old 02-28-2020, 11:56 PM #32
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To me, there's no comparison. Wladimir's reign was far more impressive than Deontay's. Deontay had one of the all time great WBC heavyweight reigns, but Wladimir had one of the all time great heavyweight reigns period. Much longer. More defenses. Unified titles. Wladimir all day long.
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To me, there's no comparison. Wladimir's reign was far more impressive than Deontay's. Deontay had one of the all time great WBC heavyweight reigns, but Wladimir had one of the all time great heavyweight reigns period. Much longer. More defenses. Unified titles. Wladimir all day long.
he did? who did he beat? there must be a bunch of guys who only held the wbc belt for no more than 1 fight with better wins than him
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Old 02-29-2020, 12:33 AM #34
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I don't believe Wilder would've lost to any of the fighters Wlad lost to except Fury of course. And there isn't one fighter who Wlad beat who I think Wilder couldn't. He lost to the same fighter Wlad did, but much more combatively.
why would you say that.... all your saying is a hypothetical.

Besides Stiverne, the only top 10 fighters Wilder has faced have been Ortiz and Fury, and he struggeled to hell with Ortiz and of course got beat by Fury.

there is a reason this man has avoided the best of his division,
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he did? who did he beat? there must be a bunch of guys who only held the wbc belt for no more than 1 fight with better wins than him
He dominated the #2 heavyweight to win the title. He knocked out the current #4 heavyweight twice during the reign. He knocked out two different top 10-15 guys in the first round during the reign. He made over $100 million during the reign. He put heavyweight boxing back on the map in the United States. HBO's heavyweight PPVs were literally doing 50-60 thousand buys before Wilder came along. The division was dead.

Wilder just did 1.5 million buys in the last 3 months.

He took a dead division and single handedly brought it back to its former glory by delivering what the American public craves from heavyweights: knockouts. The closest thing since the Mike Tyson heyday.
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He dominated the #2 heavyweight to win the title. He knocked out the current #4 heavyweight twice during the reign. He knocked out two different top 10-15 guys in the first round during the reign. He made over $100 million during the reign. He put heavyweight boxing back on the map in the United States. HBO's heavyweight PPVs were literally doing 50-60 thousand buys before Wilder came along. The division was dead.

Wilder just did 1.5 million buys in the last 3 months.

He took a dead division and single handedly brought it back to its former glory by delivering what the American public craves from heavyweights: knockouts. The closest thing since the Mike Tyson heyday.
but his resume is just not that good man.....

he never fought anyone in the top 10-15 until stiverne and ortiz and fury....
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I don't believe Wilder would've lost to any of the fighters Wlad lost to except Fury of course. And there isn't one fighter who Wlad beat who I think Wilder couldn't. He lost to the same fighter Wlad did, but much more combatively.
He lost way worse ya dimwit

And he was 8 years younger at his absolute prime.

Dumb a$$ statement from a dumba$$
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but his resume is just not that good man.....
Not that good compared to who? He has three wins over top 5 opponents. Can Joshua say that? No. Can Fury say that? No. Can Whyte say that? No.

Everyone holds Wilder to a double standard. What American heavyweight has accomplished more than him in the last 20 years?

Someone doesn't have to be the greatest of all time to still be pretty good. If Wilder is the most successful American heavyweight since Tyson and Holyfield in the 1990s, I'd say he's done pretty well for himself. Picking up his first pair of gloves at 20 years old. A junior college basketball player. To go win an Olympic medal, a world title, successfully defend it 10 times, make $100 million. You guys like to act like he sucks just because he's not the best ever. Only one person can be the best ever. He's still much better than most.
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Not that good compared to who? He has three wins over top 5 opponents. Can Joshua say that? No. Can Fury say that? No. Can Whyte say that? No.

Everyone holds Wilder to a double standard. What American heavyweight has accomplished more than him in the last 20 years?

Someone doesn't have to be the greatest of all time to still be pretty good. If Wilder is the most successful American heavyweight since Tyson and Holyfield in the 1990s, I'd say he's done pretty well for himself. Picking up his first pair of gloves at 20 years old. A junior college basketball player. To go win an Olympic medal, a world title, successfully defend it 10 times, make $100 million. You guys like to act like he sucks just because he's not the best ever. Only one person can be the best ever. He's still much better than most.
but thats exactly the point.....its lost potential, he could of done what wlad klitschko did...why didn't he try to. It seems like he was contempt with just the WBC belt and nothing more.

its possible he can make an amazing comeback but at 34 his age is getting up there.

Lennox Lewis always fought the best......Wladimir alway fought the best. Wilder, to me is just lost potential of what could of been.

He could of been an ATG, he could of been a legend
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Not that good compared to who? He has three wins over top 5 opponents. Can Joshua say that? No. Can Fury say that? No. Can Whyte say that?
Firstly I would say wilder has had a good reign, but he has been maneavoured to avoid the top end opponents. Maybe that was him or his management , it is now irrelevant. I suspect the reality is they wanted him to build up more given his lack of amateur experience, and his trainer said so much when he refused to fight klitschko.

Three wins over top5 opponents? Really? Now you can argue rankings because different bodies score them differently but you can only ďargueĒ he has beaten Stiverne and Ortiz who could have been considered top5. Both are debatable whether they actually are top5.

Joshua has beaten klitschko, Ruiz (rematch), Whyte (not top5 at time, but probably in hindsight), Povetkin and Parker who all were considered top5 for sure. Klitschko, Ruiz and Parker were all top3 at the time.

Fury has obviously beaten klitschko and wilder - so two top 3 opponents but then no one else right at top end.

Whyte hasnít beaten anyone top3 but has beaten quite a few on the top10 sort of zone and certainly given his status has to be given big credit for doing so because many waiting for a shot donít take on the likes of chisora, Rivas, Parker and sign up to take on Povetkin.
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