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Old 11-21-2018, 08:37 AM #11
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In 1969 (if Ali wasn't in exile) would have made Tyson look stupid and stop him in 9
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Old 11-22-2018, 09:34 PM #12
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Problem would be Tyson would not have ROIDS available to him or at least not readily. He would not be at least in appearance the Tyson of the late 80ís. He would need to face men like Frazier who had the great heart he lacked. A roidless Tyson is stopped by prime Frazier and prime Ali. He then runs into prime Foreman who stops him early.
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Old 11-23-2018, 05:29 PM #13
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Problem would be Tyson would not have ROIDS available to him or at least not readily. He would not be at least in appearance the Tyson of the late 80ís. He would need to face men like Frazier who had the great heart he lacked. A roidless Tyson is stopped by prime Frazier and prime Ali. He then runs into prime Foreman who stops him early.
Let me ask you this then, when did Mike start roiding as per your accusations?

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Who supplied him as well?
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Old 11-23-2018, 05:47 PM #14
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All depends on who he fought and at what point in their career. I say he beats Ali, Frazier, Terrell, Quarry, Bonavena, Norton, Patterson, Johannson, Shavers, but loses to Liston and Foreman. Chuvalo would be a tough fight.
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Old 11-24-2018, 07:22 PM #15
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I doubt he would have ever beat Ali or Frazier. Even Bonavena is questionable.
The others; likely yes.
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Old 11-24-2018, 08:17 PM #16
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Personally I feel like the time question is mostly just moving the goalpost and looking for a means to strip a man of his greatness or elevate one to it.

I think if Mike was from the 70s he'd look, box, sound, and act like a man from the 70s and while maybe the names might be a bit different the ballet of physics would be more or less the same because, and I am very firm on this, boxing styles are not dictated by what works but rather what works and fans respond to with their dollars.

Boxing itself as a style not the sport as a whole but the points first style we call boxing comes from a monetary reaction of fans. They hated it and paid good money to see cuties be battered and when it didn't happen they fumed and paid even more money the next time.

Well, if people didn't react so strongly and didn't need to see the boxer be battered then the style fades. This is not assumption, it is the flow of history. The Jew Mendoza invented boxing in the 1790s and while from its inception to the modern day you can not claim it ever died it most certainly went through luls. By the time America had come into boxing The Jew's form was all but dead until black mean entered the picture.

1790s is inquisition era europe and while The Jew's native London would be far more kind to him then say his parent's home in Iberia it certainly was not a great time or place to be a jew.

1870s America just might be the worst place and time in the world to be a black man.

Without the vitriolic audience to hate the practitioners of the form enough to knowingly give them a living based on the chance you may see them be hurt I am quite sure it dies.

The link between Jew and black America is not by chance. Daniel The Jew trained Bill Richmond, a slave, who trained Tom Molineaux, a former slave, who was the inspiration for the black american fighting style. Tom's name you'll see in other men's names similar to Jack Johnson later but before that time you'll see young men like Massa Kendrick going to England to try to repeat what Tom did.

So how does one explain this to one's self. Where was boxing, the style, between the late 18th century and late 19th century? Not dead per se but definitely not enjoying the acclaim it held earlier. What happened? Black men in America were freed allowing America an analog of the situation Mendoza presented nearly a hundred years prior to England.

That said, I'm clearly not much fun for boxing fantasy fanfiction because I do not believe in special magic people. The men who were successful in their time would always be because it is the time that makes the man not the other way around.

Rocky Marciano goes 49-0 in all eras because the core of Marciano has nothing to do with punching or constitution but rather always figuring out a way to win and know when he can no longer win.

Mike Tyson explodes onto the scene in any era because that is who he is. He has an Icarus ride where he hits fantastic heights very quickly and fantastic lows even quicker no matter when you place him.

Ali is a mix of everything that came before him no matter when you put him and his mix would always be trouble for anyone.

Mendoza for his part will always be the man to figure out the best way to stay safe while maximizing revenue.
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Debuts in 65, meaning he'd probably be in the world title picture/top tier by 68-70, a time when Ali was gone and frazier was on the rise.

I think he'd beat everyone from mathis to chuvalo, and probably ko them but frazier? I dunno... Frazier was quicker, more skilled, more resilient and in his prime a 15 round beast. I think frazier takes tysons soul post round 6 and his chin post round 10.

Then factor in Ali and foreman in the early to mid 70s and as ridiculous as it sounds, he may never have won the world heavyweight championship.

Let that sink in and you'll understand just how special the division was back then and what a real champion was when you only had one, or rarely two a division.
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