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Old 07-16-2018, 07:56 AM #51
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I assume you are not this stupid.

The question is not how a Michael Spinks who lifted weights fared via heavyweights who did not (Holmes, Holmes, Tangstad, Cooney and Tyson) but whether Spinks's use of weight training in the context of preparation which included sufficient boxing-specific training 1) improved him as a boxer, 2) hindered him as a boxer, or 3) had no net effect.

In other words, the issue* is how the performance of the historical Michael Spinks, who officially went 4-1 against those heavyweights, would compare with the performance of a hypothetical Michael Spinks who prepared for and fought those five fights without the use of weight training.

As an aside: It certainly seems to me that Tyson had a very large advantage over Spinks in strength.

*Spinks, of course, is but one fighter or one data point.
You have no idea about the era. Gerry Cooney and Steffan Tangstad were nobodies in the division at that time. Cooney had 1 fight in the last 2.5 years and was 30 years old. Holmes was literally 35 and 36 years old in each Spinks fight. Holmes arguably won the second.

Spinks lifted weights and got knocked the **** out halfway through the first round. That's how well his weights did for him. A first round knockout loss.
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:46 AM #52
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

The same low-repetition strength training programs you claim will "ruin endurance" have been show to do exactly the opposite in distance runners. See [Link View Has Been Removed. Click Here To Unlock This Content.] for example. Distance running, as you may not know, is "a heavily endurance based sport".
Did you even read the study?

"The intervention group (four males and four females) performed half-squats, four sets of four repetitions maximum, three times per week for 8 wk"

Can't believe you're this dumb.
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:54 AM #53
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1) Yes, no doubt the fighters of today do not compare to the fighters who beat Robinson. Because, you see, older is better. "Old School" boxing training (no weight training, among other things) is better than the training of today; "Old School" cars are better than the cars of today; "Old School" dentistry is better than the dentistry of today--and so on.
You're off your rocker and with reasoning like that it's no surprise that you've been spewing bull****. Robinson was UNDEFEATED at welterweight. NOBODY beat him. In fact, before his first retirement he had 132 wins and 3 losses. One was to Jake Lamotta, a natural light heavyweight fighting as a middleweight that outweighed him by 15 lbs in some fights. Robinson beat him 5 times out of 6 total fights.

Robinson didn't train at all for the Turpin fight and stopped him in the rematch. Maxim was the light heavyweight champion and Robinson was winning all the way until the fight was stopped because of Robinson's dehydration due to 103 degree heat.

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2) "Afterwards Robinson claimed that his seconds had let him down, failing to replenish his water bottle..."
--Graeme Kent--
Then it's settled, they knew water was needed for hydration. Thanks for proving my point!

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"They later weighed Robinson and discovered he had been drained of 16 pounds during the fight..."
--Michael Carbert--
Yep. That's what dehydration does to you. Makes you weigh less. Sounds like you're learning alot in the last few days.
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Old 07-17-2018, 04:16 AM #54
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You can't name a single modern day welterweight who would beat Robinson. Spence, Thurman, Porter, Garcia, and Crawford would all lose. Badly.



I don't know if you're doing this on purpose or just don't really know much about Sugar Ray. He lost because of dehydration but not because him and his handlers didn't understand the importance of drinking water. Robinson and Maxim were fighting in 103 degree heat. You can literally see Robinson drinking water between rounds to stay hydrated.

Learn your boxing history noob.
Only guy with even half a chance to beat him is Zelenoff.
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