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  • #41
    Originally posted by D4thincarnation View Post
    When you have the drug testers on your payroll you get get all the waivers you want when you want to take PEDs as much as you like.
    Big problem with your theory . . .

    IVs were 100% legal under Nevada rules at the time, which is why Nevada wasn't notified when the IV was administered.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by Bjl12 View Post
      Listen I'm not huge on Floyd, but did not dope. Period. Lots of conspiracy theories out there and most importantly - you have to look where they're coming from. Almost Spoon23 or his ilk, stealthradon and etc.

      Manny did use PED's though. Cannot be proven, but he did and anyone who can do basic math understands this. They say "it doesn't matter because all the top guys juice" as if that somehow makes it "okay". Corny. And no thank you.

      PEDquiao ain't nothing, never was since 135.
      Okay, you fúcking idiot, get this through your thick fúcking skull. I do not care about Manny. Do you understand this? I DO NOT CARE ABOUT MANNY. I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE PHILIPPINES.
      Piss off and die, you useless bítch.

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      • #43
        A good chemist can keep Testosterone and Epitestosterone ratio's in check and keep total levels within highest range drug testing allows.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF View Post
          Big problem with your theory . . .

          IVs were 100% legal under Nevada rules at the time, which is why Nevada wasn't notified when the IV was administered.
          Against WADA and USADA rules.

          What was Floyd's health issue again that he medically needed to take this IV again?

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          • #45
            Originally posted by GodLike View Post
            A good chemist can keep Testosterone and Epitestosterone ratio's in check and keep total levels within highest range drug testing allows.
            That is why VADA test for synthetic testosterone, which caught Peterson out. His levels were bellow 4 but it was synthetic.

            USADA don't always check this.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by D4thincarnation View Post
              Against WADA and USADA rules.
              Which is why USADA had to give the TUE, not Nevada. IV was 100% legal in Nevada. Floyd & Manny chose to hire USADA to verify that any IV use was for legitimate medical use.

              USADA was with Floyd when the paramedics were called, they had Floyd give a sample immediately before the IV was administered, they witnessed the IV being administered and they had Floyd give a sample immediately after the IV was administered.

              Nothing violated Nevada rules and therefore there was no reason to alert Nevada until after USADA completed their process to determined if Floyd had done anything wrong.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF View Post
                Which is why USADA had to give the TUE, not Nevada. IV was 100% legal in Nevada. Floyd & Manny chose to hire USADA to verify that any IV use was for legitimate medical use.

                USADA was with Floyd when the paramedics were called, they had Floyd give a sample immediately before the IV was administered, they witnessed the IV being administered and they had Floyd give a sample immediately after the IV was administered.

                Nothing violated Nevada rules and therefore there was no reason to alert Nevada until after USADA completed their process to determined if Floyd had done anything wrong.
                A retrospective TUE.

                So nothing planned for an existing health condition.
                So what medical condition did Floyd have that he needed a retrospective TUE?

                Any ideas?

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by D4thincarnation View Post
                  A retrospective TUE.

                  So nothing planned for an existing health condition.
                  So what medical condition did Floyd have that he needed a retrospective TUE?

                  Any ideas?
                  It's not retrospective, it's retroactive.

                  If Floyd was feeling ill, and the paramedic wanted to administer an IV, the USADA doping control agent doesn't make a decision in that moment of whether to approve or disapprove. That would put the DCO in a horrible predicament and wouldn't allow USADA to do a proper investigation.

                  Which is why in those situations you apply for a TUE after the fact, so USADA can take as much time as they need to evaluate the medical information, question witnesses if necessary, speak to the DCO, speak to the medical personnel, have a hearing if necessary, etc.

                  Floyd was given some salt water and vitamins. That's it. An amount about the size of a cup of soda. He gave a sample immediately before and immediately after. All witnessed by USADA, who followed Floyd the entire day and he never left their sights.

                  Under these conditions, what could he have possibly done that was nefarious? If the IV was to flush his system, he gave a sample immediately before, so the system flush would accomplish nothing. If the IV was administered by a corrupt paramedic and actually contained PEDs, he gave a sample immediately after and would have been caught.

                  This entire "controversy" was completely manufactured by Thomas Hauser, who was on HBO's payroll at the time and his entire job was to make HBO's enemies look bad. You should be ashamed for falling for the ruse.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF View Post
                    It's not retrospective, it's retroactive.

                    If Floyd was feeling ill, and the paramedic wanted to administer an IV, the USADA doping control agent doesn't make a decision in that moment of whether to approve or disapprove. That would put the DCO in a horrible predicament and wouldn't allow USADA to do a proper investigation.

                    Which is why in those situations you apply for a TUE after the fact, so USADA can take as much time as they need to evaluate the medical information, question witnesses if necessary, speak to the DCO, speak to the medical personnel, have a hearing if necessary, etc.

                    Floyd was given some salt water and vitamins. That's it. An amount about the size of a cup of soda. He gave a sample immediately before and immediately after. All witnessed by USADA, who followed Floyd the entire day and he never left their sights.

                    Under these conditions, what could he have possibly done that was nefarious? If the IV was to flush his system, he gave a sample immediately before, so the system flush would accomplish nothing. If the IV was administered by a corrupt paramedic and actually contained PEDs, he gave a sample immediately after and would have been caught.

                    This entire "controversy" was completely manufactured by Thomas Hauser, who was on HBO's payroll at the time and his entire job was to make HBO's enemies look bad. You should be ashamed for falling for the ruse.

                    So Floyd was feeling ill and the only thing that could cure him was this banned shot?

                    What ever was wrong with Floyd?

                    Are paramedics medical experts?

                    Did Floyd collapsed?

                    Do paramedics often give this IV shot to people that aren't feeling well?

                    Who called the paramedics and what made Floyd ill on the eve of such a big fight when he should be in best condition he could be?

                    I wonder?

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by D4thincarnation View Post
                      So Floyd was feeling ill and the only thing that could cure him was this banned shot?
                      Wasn't banned and it wasn't a shot. IV was 100% legal in Nevada, for any reason, in any amount. To avoid abuse, Floyd & Manny voluntarily hired USADA to ensure that any IV use was for legitimate medical purposes. Everything was done by the book. There was no controversy or scandal until HBO's hired assassin wrote an extremely misleading article to create scandal where none existed.


                      What ever was wrong with Floyd?
                      His private medical information is none of our business.


                      Are paramedics medical experts?
                      Whether they are or they aren't, it doesn't matter since USADA is the one that decides if the use was legitimate, not the paramedic.

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