Originally posted by dan_cov
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breaking down this heavyweight era and others: Why today stinks!!
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Its so bad that we are settling for anything. We had Price making noise, Boystov, it was plain to see that both was absolutely rubbish. The same with Wilder, hes 'the next big thing' to get bowled over when he marginally steps up.
When you've got fighters receiving credit and being perceived as threats with wins over 40 odd yr old Audrey Harrisons it speaks volumes for just how little depth there is in the division.
Tyson Fury had no talent, he took it more seriously & put some graft in and he went from a big joke to a good fighter by this eras standards at least. It just shows me that anybody with some size and the work ethic can do alright in the division.
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Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
I really don't care where a fighter is from as long as they're fun to watch. I'm just making a point. A point you obviously cannot refute.Today's era is WEAK!!
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Originally posted by JAB5239 View PostI agree its getting worse. When Wlad is gone it will have hit rock bottom between the erosion of skills and guys unwilling to fight each other.
Its definitely getting worse as opposed to better.
I think once that happens we might have a guy like Pulev in the same position Wladimir is in only with even worse competition.
I can see it now; 2020 the highly anticipated rematch between undisputed world HW champion Kubrat Pulev & a 50yr old Tony Thompson.
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Originally posted by Weltschmerz View PostThe idea that today's heavyweight era is 'weak' is bollocks. Champions don't become champions out of nothing, the title is not handed to them for free. Today's HW division is strong.
Originally posted by Weltschmerz View PostI know OP is not comfortable with the fact that the two headed dragon that is the HW champion is from an Eastern European country most Americans couldn't locate on the world map. It buggers him.
Originally posted by Weltschmerz View PostMany people also said the HW era was 'weak' when Larry Holmes, Joe Louis, Tyson, or even when Lewis dominated. Louis had his 'bum of the month club', remember? Lennox only became truly acknowledged as an ATG after he knocked out a much faded Tyson.
Wlad vs....... ? Thompson? Vitali vs........? Lewis? A loss? Hide maybe?
Lewis was recognized as a great and the undisputed champion after his win over Holyfield, not Tyson. That was just a cherry on the cake.
Originally posted by Weltschmerz View PostPoint being, every champ Down history fought their share of 'bums'. The Klitschko's being no different. Doesn't mean this era is particularly weak compared to other eras.
Originally posted by Weltschmerz View PostThe Klitschko's are dominating in their own fashion, just as past greats like Ali, Holmes, Louis, Jack Johnson, Tyson, etc. dominated in their own fashion. Each champion has his own way of dominating his era.
Boxing is never in a weak era. The best are always the best.
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Flawed post. Add up the Klitschkos "top 10" faced opponents and you'll get 16. So if it were just one person with 16 "top 10" wins that means the division is good? No, it's still bad. More bad defenses doesn't make it any better.
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Originally posted by Foreign Soil View PostFlawed post. Add up the Klitschkos "top 10" faced opponents and you'll get 16. So if it were just one person with 16 "top 10" wins that means the division is good? No, it's still bad. More bad defenses doesn't make it any better.
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Obviously.. but they're one entity since they can't fight each other. It diminishes what one would do if the other weren't around, and either of them would have more "top 10" wins. It wouldn't make the division any better.
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Originally posted by dan_cov View PostIts definitely getting worse as opposed to better.
I think once that happens we might have a guy like Pulev in the same position Wladimir is in only with even worse competition.
I can see it now; 2020 the highly anticipated rematch between undisputed world HW champion Kubrat Pulev & a 50yr old Tony Thompson.
I had hope it was going to come together with some of the younger guns who were ranked striving to step out front, but guys like Fury, Wilder, Helenius, Solis etc have really done **** all. Chisora and Pulev seems to be the only guy willing to fight.
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