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Old 05-23-2018, 04:21 AM #51
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Because Fury is based in the UK. Apparently delays were caused by Molina being based in another country and thus in another jurisdiction.
Check out the Molina interview about this. He basically says they gave him the harshest possible penalty for a non-performance enhancing anti-inflammatory, because he didn't pay them off.
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Old 05-23-2018, 05:22 AM #52
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Check out the Molina interview about this. He basically says they gave him the harshest possible penalty for a non-performance enhancing anti-inflammatory, because he didn't pay them off.
Well he would say that, wouldn't he?
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Old 05-23-2018, 05:39 AM #53
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Well he would say that, wouldn't he?
I tried to find the video online, but the only one I can find is of Molina saying that they shouldn't be making an example of him because he didn't intend to cheat.
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Old 05-23-2018, 07:02 AM #54
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Having listened to the interview he gave he took a B12 dexamethasone injection which is why he failed the test. He was unaware of the fact dexamethasone was in this b12 injection and unaware that dexamethasone was banned. So there can be no disputing the results of the test.

As to why dexamethasone and other glucocorticoids are banned by WADA, that's more complicated. While there is no real data to confirm there is a benefit from taking glucocorticoids in regards to sports performance, there is also very little data to say that it doesn't. Fact is there hasn't been any real testing on glucocorticoids and it's effect on sports performance.

So why are they banned then if their is no clear data. Answer is that the nature of the compound suggests their could be a benefit and so it's now a substance being abused by athletes for a "possible" benefit to the detriment of their possible health and so it is banned. It's a very similar case to meldonium, WADA has seen these drugs being abused and possibly used for an advantage and without hard proof that it doesn't improve performance has banned the substance.

Molina may of very well taken the injection innocently, he likely had an injury going into the fight with Joshua and so took this injection, not knowing the ramifications. But that doesn't absolve Molina from the responsibility of knowing that everything that goes into his body is not on WADA's prohibited list. He failed the test and unluckily for him it was in a country that takes doping seriously.
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Old 05-23-2018, 04:01 PM #55
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Well he would say that, wouldn't he?
Why dont you tell everyone why he got the harshest penalty for a substance that doesn't even enhance performance?

Tell us why it took 2 years?

He got far worse punishment than fighters caught doing proper anabolics.
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Old 05-23-2018, 04:05 PM #56
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Having listened to the interview he gave he took a B12 dexamethasone injection which is why he failed the test. He was unaware of the fact dexamethasone was in this b12 injection and unaware that dexamethasone was banned. So there can be no disputing the results of the test.

As to why dexamethasone and other glucocorticoids are banned by WADA, that's more complicated. While there is no real data to confirm there is a benefit from taking glucocorticoids in regards to sports performance, there is also very little data to say that it doesn't. Fact is there hasn't been any real testing on glucocorticoids and it's effect on sports performance.

So why are they banned then if their is no clear data. Answer is that the nature of the compound suggests their could be a benefit and so it's now a substance being abused by athletes for a "possible" benefit to the detriment of their possible health and so it is banned. It's a very similar case to meldonium, WADA has seen these drugs being abused and possibly used for an advantage and without hard proof that it doesn't improve performance has banned the substance.

Molina may of very well taken the injection innocently, he likely had an injury going into the fight with Joshua and so took this injection, not knowing the ramifications. But that doesn't absolve Molina from the responsibility of knowing that everything that goes into his body is not on WADA's prohibited list. He failed the test and unluckily for him it was in a country that takes doping seriously.
UK doesnt take drug testing seriously UKAD are the biggest joke out there. There is pinup boy is the most obvioust PED user in world sport.

Heres one example of how crap they are...
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Furys are another example. They got caught and didnt even get banned just ignored UKAD.

Molina is another clear example at how unprofessional they are.
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Why dont you tell everyone why he got the harshest penalty for a substance that doesn't even enhance performance?

Tell us why it took 2 years?

He got far worse punishment than fighters caught doing proper anabolics.
Dillian Whyte got a 2 year ban after drinking an energy drink he bought in a shop so the treatment isn't inconsistent.

And apparently it took so long because Molina was outside of UKAD's jurisdiction. I can't claim to be an expert on this but it seems more than reasonable that fighters not being in the UK would delay matters (though admittedly 2 years does seem a long time).

I'm not advocating for UKAD (I'm sure they're at least as useless as most anti-doping agencies seem to be) but Molina put himself in this position - same way Whyte did and both paid the same price for similar offences.

I'm all for maximum responsibility and strict penalties, personally. We've got a long way to go to clean up the sport
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Old 05-23-2018, 10:28 PM #58
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Dillian Whyte got a 2 year ban after drinking an energy drink he bought in a shop so the treatment isn't inconsistent.

And apparently it took so long because Molina was outside of UKAD's jurisdiction. I can't claim to be an expert on this but it seems more than reasonable that fighters not being in the UK would delay matters (though admittedly 2 years does seem a long time).

I'm not advocating for UKAD (I'm sure they're at least as useless as most anti-doping agencies seem to be) but Molina put himself in this position - same way Whyte did and both paid the same price for similar offences.

I'm all for maximum responsibility and strict penalties, personally. We've got a long way to go to clean up the sport
Fair point. Dylan was drinking a performancing enhancing product called Jacked3D, bought from supplement store. Which is a worse than a antinflamatory IMO.
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