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Old 08-20-2018, 01:11 AM #1
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Default How Would The World Look If Hitler's Germany Won WW2?

How would the world in 2018 look? Would it still be as technologically advanced? What would be the political norms?

Keep in mind if Hitler won, then most of Eastern European Slavs would've been either wiped out or enslaved, and the ones that managed to escape would probably establish a new colony beyond the Ural Mountains. Which would've meant no Korolev (Sputnik/Space Satellites), Kalishnikov (AK-47's), Chelomeys (Space Stations and Rocket Engineering) no communist Cuba, China, Vietnam, or North Korea. Jews likewise would've been wiped out and their number dwindled to a fraction of what it would've been today, therefore that means likely no Zuckerberg (Facebook) Sergey Brin (Google), Jeff Bezos (Amazon) Kalanick (Uber).

USA would've probably also had to make great concessions to Hitler, and that means that Germany would have to have been the world leaders in technological and scientific advancement. Would they have done as good of a job as we did today?
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Why would Eastern Europeans be wiped out or enslaved? Wartime rhetoric & reality are two very different things. There were US generals who talked about wiping out China with atomic weaponry once the war was won etc. That stuff fizzles out pretty quickly.

I think the Nazis were in effect a wartime party & couldn't exist without it, so had they won WW2 power would have gradually been passed to a more moderate group similar to what happened with the USSR.

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Old 08-20-2018, 01:16 AM #3
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It would be a lot Nazier that’s for sure
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:19 AM #4
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Why would Eastern Europeans be wiped out or enslaved? Wartime rhetoric & reality are two very different things.
Because of Hitlers idea of lebensraum. Hitlers rhetoric wasn't a bluff, he did most of what he said he'd do, or at least attempted to do.
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Because of Hitlers idea of lebensraum. Hitlers rhetoric wasn't a bluff, he did most of what he said he'd do, or at least attempted to do.
I'm not sure of what Hitler's precise definition lebensraum was but the population of Eastern Europe is 300 million... It wouldn't be remotely viable. Not to mention a great deal of that 300 million are from closely genetically related to Germans/Scandinavians and Hitler was at least quite aware of that.

I know that he would portray the British either as fellow Aryans or his greatest enemy depending on how diplomatic relations were going, and had after all spend the first phase of the war closely allied to Stalin. Rhetoric is always just rhetoric.

I think a more realistic outcome is that he did more or less what the Soviets ended up doing anyway (on a larger scale than Hitler): Pogroms for Jewish capitalists, labor camps for political dissidents, etc.

Then eventually his financially unsustainable wartime party would be replaced by a more moderate group ala the transition from the USSR to Putin's government. In that sense Eastern Europe might follow a similar trajectory to what happened following allied victory.

The real question is how different Western Europe might look if Hitler's Germany were the main economic & ideological force rather than the US. I wonder if they would have remained Japan-style nation states rather than finding themselves clinging to existence in the face of mass colonization as they are today.

And the US. It would have never enjoyed such a boom in wealth. The '50s baby boom wouldn't have happened, the hippie movement definitely wouldn't have happened. The US would look very different; poorer, maybe still retaining some of its 'frontierish' image compared to Europe.

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Old 08-20-2018, 02:01 AM #6
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hitler would have eventually been overthrowed and the world would still be the same as it is now, the German people are very very smart.
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:57 AM #7
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Old 08-20-2018, 03:01 AM #8
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I would be sure that Hitler would be over thrown in the near future.
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Why would Eastern Europeans be wiped out or enslaved? Wartime rhetoric & reality are two very different things. There were US generals who talked about wiping out China with atomic weaponry once the war was won etc. That stuff fizzles out pretty quickly.

I think the Nazis were in effect a wartime party & couldn't exist without it, so had they won WW2 power would have gradually been passed to a more moderate group similar to what happened with the USSR.
Nazis were in power pre war. 1933.

War didn't start til 1939.
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Usa wouldnt have had to make great concessions to hitler. At least not at first.

The Atlantic was in between.

Germany at the height of its power, couldn't even cross the English Channel let alone the atlantic.

Us, Canada, probably Britain would've been safe.

Only continental Europe, North Africa and near east would be in German hands.

They wouldn't have been able to conquer all of the ussr. Too vast. Maybe west of the urals.

And if we're talking german victory, then we also have to say japan won as well.

Us threw most of its effort into Europe first, Asia was secondary.

Japan would control chunks of china, all of korea, taiwan, Philippines, Southeast Asia and oceania.

Usa probably would be safe as a bi continental fortress.

Usa would probably have to consolidate all of North and South America as colonies or allies.
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