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Old 07-28-2018, 10:27 PM #11
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That's why aj ducked him!
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Old 07-28-2018, 11:02 PM #12
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Idk if he'll ever be the same after what Wilder did to him but pre-Wilder it was obvious & after tonight it should be even more obvious, Ortiz was flat out better than both men. I'm not even sure AJ beats him after seeing the success Whyte had with his left hand.

Neither Whyte or Parker have Ortiz's skills or even power for that matter, physically he's about the same size as them. Both men are very limited brawlers, Ortiz on the other hand a gifted southpaw boxer-puncher.
How?

Fury
Povetkin
Wilder
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Old 07-28-2018, 11:39 PM #13
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I don't think it's hands down, Povetkin and Pulev have a case.
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Old 07-28-2018, 11:54 PM #14
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I don't think it's hands down, Povetkin and Pulev have a case.
Agreed, they have a case, but really the top three are Wilder/Joshua/Fury. Now, Fury needs to get back in shape and form, but if he does then he is probably the favorite to beat anyone. If you want to take him away from the equation, then to me it comes down to Povetkin/Ortiz. You could throw Pulev in there, but those two are better. But can Povetkin off the juice put up a Ortiz off the juice type of performance he put up against Wilder? We shall see, but I'd wager to bet no.
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Old 07-28-2018, 11:58 PM #15
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How?

Fury
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Ortiz
Fury is fat and has been relatively inactive.

Pedvetkin's best wins are Bryant Jennings' leftovers, Perez and Takam who he had to come back to beat like Chisora did before that you're looking at close bouts like Marco Huck (not even #1 in his division) and Eddie Chambers in like 2008. If Ortiz got dropped by David Price he'd get laughed out of boxing. But like I said, who knows if Ortiz will ever be the same? Wilder folded him up nasty

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Old 07-29-2018, 12:10 AM #16
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Fury is fat and has been relatively inactive.

Pedvetkin's best wins are Bryant Jennings' leftovers, Perez and Takam who he had to come back to beat like Chisora did before that you're looking at close bouts like Marco Huck (not even #1 in his division) and Eddie Chambers in like 2008. If Ortiz got dropped by David Price he'd get laughed out of boxing. But like I said, who knows if Ortiz will ever be the same? Wilder folded him up nasty
I'm sorry, but that is laughable. Jennings barely beat Mike Perez and Povetkin flattened him in like 40 seconds. Takam is a good win, he's proven to be a tough matchup for anyone he's faced win or lose.

Are we going to forget how awful Ortiz looked against Malik Scott and David Allen?

Don't get me wrong, Ortiz is good, and I would rate him as a top 5 HW, but he's not the consensus no.3 guy. Not when Povetkin and Pulev (who have only lost to Klitschko), are still doing work.
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Old 07-29-2018, 12:17 AM #17
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I've heard stories that 20 years ago when Ortiz was in his early 30s he was as good as Parker and Whyte are now.
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Old 07-29-2018, 12:18 AM #18
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I've heard stories that 20 years ago when Ortiz was in his early 30s he was as good as Parker and Whyte are now.
Ortiz folds both with ease
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Old 07-29-2018, 12:19 AM #19
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Ortiz folds both with ease
When he was in his 30s?

Or now when he's in his 50s?
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I'd pick Ortiz over anybody but Wilder. I think Joshua-Ortiz is a closer fight than people think.
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