Originally posted by WesternChamp
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How would Pac do against the champions Floyd beat for his titles?
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Originally posted by Check_hooks View PostAlso Dan_cov, I respect your opinions and you've been around for a min so I know you know boxing but we're talking about prime PAC that didn't duck anyone and fought the best fighters available to him. The toughest fights would be against a 20-21 year old green Canelo who is a good fighter but inexperienced especially against the handspeed Pac has handspeed kills
Maidana who does very good against fighters with bad footwork (floyd, broner, ortiz), Pac wouldn't let him clinch him and Maidana doesn't have good head movement and would be a sitting target against him. Hes tough as nails so I'm not sure PAC could stop him but it would be target practice for that straight left.
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Originally posted by SplitSecond View PostThat's exactly what he'd be doing you crack head. Canelo cant consistently move, pacquiao would light that boy up. He hots much harder than Floyd, a young, inexperienced Canelo would likely get broken in that fight.
Pacquiao also absolutely stops Castillo.
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I think a better question would be to ask how Pacquiao would fair against these guys at the time that Mayweather fought them. I believe this because there are people that Pacquiao lost to at certain stages in his career that Mayweather would have NEVER lost to. Prime Manny Pacquiao beats most fighters in history that are in or near his class, so asking how a 130 Castillo would do against a 147 Pacquiao feels disingenuous.
To actually answer the question though, he should brutally deal with everyone not named Alvarez or Castillo. Castillo was able to keep up with Mayweather's elusiveness, and was beyond battle tested. Pretty sure that the best version of his chin would have stood up to a baseball bat. With Alvarez, you get a mover with very fast hands, astute counterpunching, active upper body movement, good gas tank, and massive size and power advantages. Pacquiao in his prime was nowhere near the boxer he is now, and was actually much easier to hit. If Marquez could find him consistently, I don't see Alvarez having much problem either. Just my opinion.
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Surprised people are saying Pac wouldn't stop Maidana. Maidana has a great powerful offensive style but it doesn't bode well when it's against someone of an equal or more dangerous offense. Khan was blowing him out competitively for just about every round. Maidana had no answer but kept his legendary composure and confidence to keep looking for that one lucky shot. He found the shot.. and almost TKO'd a very UN-durable Khan. Pac not only is more durable than Khan, he is also a two handed fighter with much more explosive power. Say what you want about Ortiz's performance, he had Maidana falling left right. Pac's power would likely stop Maidana; if it's the same Pac that stopped Cotto and Hatton.
All the rest Pac beats as well. Boldamir? Come on. Hernandez would be interesting but Pac again has too much power. That low center of gravity would do him in. Judah wouldn't be able to take the heat obviously. Also he's a south paw.. Pac's best performances are against south paws. Even a Canelo that isn't drained couldn't compete with that kind of punching output and angles.
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Originally posted by WesternChamp View Posti like how you conveniently choose all the fights where floyd struggled in lol
maidana would get lit up. just because he did well and beat floyd in their first match up, dont mean he'll beat manny. 2 totally different style. this is the same maidana that was flopping on the floor like a fish out of water in the khan fight.
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Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View PostLooking back at the major titles Floyd won, how do you think the following fighters would have stood up against a prime Pacquiao?
Genaro Hernandez
Jose Luis Castillo
Arturo Gatti
Zab Judah
Carlos Baldomir
Victor Ortiz
Canelo
Maidana
Supreme Leader
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Originally posted by SplitSecond View PostThat's exactly what he'd be doing you crack head. Canelo cant consistently move, pacquiao would light that boy up. He hots much harder than Floyd, a young, inexperienced Canelo would likely get broken in that fight.
Pacquiao also absolutely stops Castillo.
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Canelo has all the tools needed to nullify Manny's output and angles.
This is exactly what counterpunchers do. Pac was a little dynamo but noway is he throwing 1,000 punches vs someone with Canelo's ring IQ, his feints and counterpunching ability.
Throwing that volume vs a static Clottey and a straight line pressure fighter that doesn't move his head in Margarito is one thing but he's not going to be able to vs Canelo who will be making subtle movements, setting traps and hitting him harder than he's ever been hit before.
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