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  • Why was Chavez's loss erased in his 12th fight?

    t's difficult to determine exactly what happened or why, but in 1981, when Chavez was still fighting in his hometown of Culiacan, Mexico, someone decided to tamper with history.
    On April 3 of that year, when he was 11-0, Chavez fought Miguel Ruiz at Culiacan. At or shortly after the bell ending the first round, Chavez apparently knocked out Ruiz. The referee declared Chavez the loser on a first-round disqualification.
    Four years later, that's just how it wound up in the Ring record book, which shows it: "L disq 1." But other editions?
    --According to the 1983 and 1984 Ring books, the fight never happened. It was simply deleted.
    --In the 1986-87 Ring book, the date of Chavez-Ruiz was changed to Oct. 13, 1980, and the result shows Chavez the winner: "KO 1."
    None of this is meant to lessen Chavez's achievements. He really is a marvelous fighter. He's legitimately 16-0 in championship fights and might be, as his people claim, the best fighter in the world, pound for pound.
    It's simply presented to illustrate the fact that record keeping in boxing is the worst in sports. Many believe that boxing needs a designated primary record-keeping data bank.
    In this case, at least three boxing record keepers list Chavez as 67-1.
    Dick Mastro of Los Angeles has been keeping boxing records for decades. His theory is that Chavez's loss was expunged to preserve a great young prospect's unbeaten record.
    "Someone obviously decided that it would be a shame to leave that loss on his record so it was decided to just get rid of it," Mastro said.
    "I've carried that loss on his record ever since--it's the promoters and the press that keep calling him unbeaten."
    Pugilato, the Italian world boxing record book, also shows Chavez at 67-1, according to Mastro.
    Dean Lohuis, another Southern California boxing statistician, lists Chavez at 68-0.
    "No matter what the motives, the Culiacan Boxing Commission did officially reverse the outcome of that fight," Lohuis said. "If the California commission reversed an outcome here, no matter what the reason, I'd treat it the same way."
    Bob Yalen of ABC's boxing staff was assigned several years back to look into that 1981 fight.
    "It was officially overturned the next day by the Culiacan Commission and changed to a KO-1 for Chavez," Yalen said. "The official reason was that the commission ruled Chavez had not hit the guy after the bell, as the referee ruled. I also found out that Chavez's manager, (the late) Ramon Felix, was on the Culiacan commission at the time.
    "Whatever you want to make of it, the result was officially overturned so we called him unbeaten when we televised one of his fights."
    Mastro said that no commission can overturn a referee's judgment call. He cites a 1952 New York State Supreme Court case involving a Joey Giardello fight. According to Mastro, the court ruled that the New York State Athletic Commission had no authority to overturn a referee's judgment call.
    "That's an important legal concept in boxing, that you can't overturn a referee's judgment call," Mastro said. "And its intent is to keep politics out of boxing."
    Ralph Citro of Blackwood, N.Y., who publishes an annual boxing record book, Computer Boxing Update, calls Chavez 67-1.
    "The referee disqualified Chavez in that fight, and that's how I've always carried it," he said. "I got it from a very good Culiacan source that that reversal was wrong, that it should never have happened."

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    • #3
      Interesting stuff.

      I'm from Oklahoma and have a similar story about Carson Jones: some years back he fought Michael Clark here and hit him with a really good low blow in the 2nd. After 5 minutes, Clark claimed he couldn't continue, so the fight was declared a N.C. because it ended in the second round.

      A week or so later, the Oklahoma commission inexplicably changed the result into a W for Jones.

      Fuckin boxing, man.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by paulf View Post
        Interesting stuff.

        I'm from Oklahoma and have a similar story about Carson Jones: some years back he fought Michael Clark here and hit him with a really good low blow in the 2nd. After 5 minutes, Clark claimed he couldn't continue, so the fight was declared a N.C. because it ended in the second round.

        A week or so later, the Oklahoma commission inexplicably changed the result into a W for Jones.

        Fuckin boxing, man.
        wow..............

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        • #5
          Lol, here come the Messicans in......1.....2......3......

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          • #6
            Are you guys saying boxing is shady?

            Blasphemy.

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            • #7
              They disputed the DQ and it was overturned..

              You see this sometimes.. Toney-Rahman 2 had the decision changed from tko to NC..

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              • #8
                I remember when I first heard of Canelo, I'm talking like a year or two before he even made his way to the States; I don't even think he was a huge name in Mexico yet because most of the footage I found on him from the time were taken from the audience and obviously had horrible quality.
                But anyways, I went to go check him out on BoxRec. Instinctively that's the first thing one does when they're unfamiliar with a boxer.
                I remember BoxRec listed him with 3 defeats at the time.
                I always found it weird that his defeats vanished once he started fighting in the US.
                Maybe BoxRec made a mistake but I just found it interesting that once he started making a name for himself his record all of the sudden changed.
                I believe he was also listed with two draws. Like I said it could be very possible that BoxRec just had it wrong at time, but this just reminded me of that.

                If I knew Canelo was going to become this big I would have taken a picture or something.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View Post
                  They disputed the DQ and it was overturned..

                  You see this sometimes..
                  ... SO: the guy was 19 yo, and in his 12th bout met a journeyman in Ruiz, gets DQd by the ref for punching after the bell in round one... the commission overturns the decision the day after, deciding that Sr. won by KO... Conclusion: Sr is a cheating wreck... OK, OK...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View Post
                    They disputed the DQ and it was overturned..

                    You see this sometimes.. Toney-Rahman 2 had the decision changed from tko to NC..
                    Yea but his manager, worked for the commission...??

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