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  • #11
    Originally posted by larryxxx.. View Post
    Nothing to do with GGG specifically ..Hopkins,Louis,GGG all have these long streaks but who did they beat?? ya'll get to mad when certain fighters fit in a group but damn its true.....
    Champions with long winning streaks choke a division and don’t allow other fighter to build a reputation.

    Pretty common. That’s why you don’t see long reigning champs with resumes littered with stars. How do you become a star when Joe Louis is the champ beating everyone, including you, over a whole decade?

    The key for me is that they fight top rated opposition.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Tom Cruise View Post
      Champions with long winning streaks choke a division and don’t allow other fighter to build a reputation.

      Pretty common. That’s why you don’t see long reigning champs with resumes littered with stars. How do you become a star when Joe Louis is the champ beating everyone, including you, over a whole decade?

      The key for me is that they fight top rated opposition.
      Good that somebody understands it, hope you can explain it to Larry's limited head.

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      • #13
        There aren't 10+ great fighters around the same division at the same time. It's never happened. Even if you look at the greatest division climber of all time, Manny, he maxed out at ~10 great fights. Everyone else he fought were top challengers at best.

        For example, let's say that Wilder and Joshua fight and one of them wins, then goes on to defend the belts for next 5-6 years. All of the folks they beat will fade into obscurity in a few years.

        What you're asking for is impossible, it would require amazing promoter, amazing skillset, and a TON of luck. Floyd and Manny were blessed being active during one of the best eras of boxing for their divisions, and even they don't have 20 wins over great fighters.

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        • #14
          Not really many. I think it's just the nature of the sport. If you fight 3 times a year, you're generally going to end up fighting some fringe contenders and crappy mandatories. Half the battle of keeping a title for a long time it fulfilling your mandatory obligations, and we all know that often serves up some 5hit sandwiches in terms of fights.

          Not to mention most divisions are not that deep really. You might get 3-4 genuinely very good fighters over a few year period in a division and the rest are not on that level. It's very unlikely you can fight the best one after another, especially when they're tied up with other fights and their own mandatories and things like that.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Boksfan View Post
            Good that somebody understands it, hope you can explain it to Larry's limited head.
            Larry once again creates a thread that backfires bc he doesn't understand .

            The fact Wlad Klitchko fought all top guys and didnt duck anyone in his title reign probably never enrtered his head though hes targeting someone else. lol

            Joshua himself is going to one of those guys having become unified champion in only his 19th fight alongside Ali bc he fights actual relevant guys .


            This thread is not going to go good at all as usual as its also about title defences not just longetivity which would put M.Tyson in the discussion another favorite of his . lol
            Last edited by juggernaut666; 08-15-2018, 11:37 AM.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by Tom Cruise View Post
              Champions with long winning streaks choke a division and don’t allow other fighter to build a reputation.

              Pretty common. That’s why you don’t see long reigning champs with resumes littered with stars. How do you become a star when Joe Louis is the champ beating everyone, including you, over a whole decade?

              The key for me is that they fight top rated opposition.
              Very good post.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by larryxxx.. View Post
                Nothing to do with GGG specifically ..Hopkins,Louis,GGG all have these long streaks but who did they beat?? ya'll get to mad when certain fighters fit in a group but damn its true.....
                You recently said Hopkins is better than Roy Jones and some would argue his greatest feat was being undisputed, 10 years and 20 defenses.

                Joe Louis had 7 title fight victories over hall of fame opponents and defeated about 3-4 to earn the title shot. To reign as the only champion in the one belt era for over a decade and 25 defenses is impressive.

                Dominance over a single division is impressive especially when it's backed up with longevity because as Tom Cruise said (the poster not the actor) when you are so dominant over so long then you've probably stopped a few guys from making a name for themselves. Far more impressive than the division hopping grab a title here, a title here smash and grab route that many fighters nowadays go for.

                I'll give you some others that had long reigns and beat good opposition going with a rule of 5 years minimum and 10 defenses minimum reign :-

                Carlos Monzon
                Marvelous Marvin Hagler
                Wilfredo Gomez (at 122)
                Felix Trinidad (at 147)
                Eusebio Pedroza
                Archie Moore
                Roberto Duran
                Last edited by chrisJS; 08-15-2018, 12:24 PM.

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                • #18
                  some solid posts, keep em coming

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by juggernaut666 View Post
                    Larry once again creates a thread that backfires bc he doesn't understand .

                    The fact Wlad Klitchko fought all top guys and didnt duck anyone in his title reign probably never enrtered his head though hes targeting someone else. lol

                    Joshua himself is going to one of those guys having become unified champion in only his 19th fight alongside Ali bc he fights actual relevant guys .


                    This thread is not going to go good at all as usual as its also about title defences not just longetivity which would put M.Tyson in the discussion another favorite of his . lol
                    Too bad Wlad ducked Lennox Lewis and reigned over one of the ****tiest HW eras ever. Hell, did he even fight what many consider a top fighter?

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Tom Cruise View Post
                      Champions with long winning streaks choke a division and don’t allow other fighter to build a reputation.

                      Pretty common. That’s why you don’t see long reigning champs with resumes littered with stars. How do you become a star when Joe Louis is the champ beating everyone, including you, over a whole decade?

                      The key for me is that they fight top rated opposition.
                      good point........

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