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  • #11
    Originally posted by Barnburner View Post
    You have to take Newspaper reports into account to a certain exent though you can't just flat out ignore them and results form many newspapers would (for my money) be a lot more accurate than some of the judging I've seen.
    P.S...... as there were 299 ring appearances by Greb..... so that's my main reason for putting ND's aside... I won't live long enough to go through the reports of 299 fights, as it is he had about 150 fights that had official results, and of course I include all of Greb's TKO's and KO's whether ND's or not,... It's hard to tell which one's were ND's as there were some states where 20 round fights were legal.

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    • #12
      GREB DEFEATS WILSON
      Hawera & Normanby Star, Volume XLII, 3 September 1923, Page 8
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      GREB DEFEATS WILSON
      NEW YORK, Aug. 31
      Harry Greb became the middle-weight champion of the world by defeating J»hnny Wilson in a fifteen round bout, in which the victor had a shade of the advantage in the last eight rounds. It was a spirited contest, both men fighting at close quarters and assimilating much punishment.

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      • #13
        WORLD'S CHAMPIONS.
        NZ Truth , 7 February 1925, Page 10
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        WORLD'S CHAMPIONS.
        All "Americans." In answer to a correspondent the following list of world's champions is given. According to America they are all Yankees, whether they were born m Italy, Peru 'or Siberia matters not: Jack Dempsey, heavyweight. Mike McTigue, light-heavyweight. Harry Greb, middleweight. Mickey Walker, welterweight Pinkie Mitchell, junior welterweight. Benny Leonard, lightweight. Kid Kaplan, featherweight. Eddie Martin, bantamweight.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by McGoorty View Post
          WORLD'S CHAMPIONS.
          NZ Truth , 7 February 1925, Page 10
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          WORLD'S CHAMPIONS.
          All "Americans." In answer to a correspondent the following list of world's champions is given. According to America they are all Yankees, whether they were born m Italy, Peru 'or Siberia matters not: Jack Dempsey, heavyweight. Mike McTigue, light-heavyweight. Harry Greb, middleweight. Mickey Walker, welterweight Pinkie Mitchell, junior welterweight. Benny Leonard, lightweight. Kid Kaplan, featherweight. Eddie Martin, bantamweight.
          Who the hell is Pinkie Mitchell and Eddie martin ???

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          • #15
            THE GAME IN AMERICA
            Evening Post, Volume CX, Issue 22, 25 July 1925, Page 20
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            THE GAME IN AMERICA
            (ItEUTER'S TELIOIUM.)
            NEW YORK, 23rd July,
            Floyd Fitzsimmons, the boxing promoter, announces from Chicago that Dempsey has approved a bout with Harry Ureb, middleweight champion. Fitzsimmons states that his talked with Dempsey over the telephone. The heavyweight approved of the bout, and Fitzsimmons then telephoned to Mason, Greb's manager, to discuss details. The promoter wants to stage the bout on 10th or 26th September. It will be held at Michigan City, and will be ten rounds, with the heavyweight title at stake.
            Charley Rosenberg, the world's bantamweight champion, knocked out Eddie Shea, of Chicago, in the fourth round of a fifteen-round match for the title.

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            • #16
              A NEW MIDDLE-WEIGHT.
              NZ Truth , Issue 656, 12 January 1918, Page 8
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              A NEW MIDDLE-WEIGHT.
              «7 Harry Greb, Pittburg's pride m the middle-weight division, has been knocking opponents stiff and has been defeating
              them on points with such regularity that he/*' now looms as the only possible oppojiefrt of class for Mike Gibbons. The great St. Paul boxer has whipped most of the others. He's so good that a rriatch with mostv of those m his class doesn't sound a bit good to the average promoter.
              In Greb, however, there is a youth who seems unbeatable. He has come along -so; .-.fast, of late and seems to be so good that it seems logical for him to pick on Mike.
              ii^Several stabs at such a match has been made by Pittsburg: and other promoters, but it hasn't been made attractive enough yet for Mike. Gibbons is growing, out of the fight game. to a certain extent, partly because his brother JTp.ni looks perfectly able, to take care of the family reputation, and partly because Mike is reaching a point where he doesn't want to get ready to fight. His business interests have grown big and he, would be content to drop the ring game and take care of them exclusively. /^Promoters- have btsen looking for a long. Time 1 for some one to' send against Mike who would be able to make it interesting for the famous Irishman, but no one has appeared who looks the, part. Soldier Bartfield's cries for a matchi haven't been taken seriously, for the soldier can't be considered m the same breath with Gibbons, m spite of the fact that he once gained a newspaper decision over Gibbons. Mike O'Dowd thinks he wants ar-match with Gibbons, and several promoters are said to have made tempting offers for the mill, but it is probable thisi match never will be made. Mike prac-/ tically taught O'Dowd everything the
              latter knows about fighting, and has sentimental reasons for not wanting to tangle with the latest St. Paul sensation.
              All deductions bring the promoters face to face with a match that will have as one of its principals Greb and as the other Gibbons. The early winter will see great activity looking toward such an encounter.
              Greb's record m the last few months holds victories, among others, over Jack Dillon and Battling Lovinsky, the two ferocious light heavy-weights. Dillon was scarcely able to lay a glove on the elusive Pittsburger, while Levlnsky was given the scrap of his eventful life.
              Greb recently made his first fight before a new york audience, and he sent them home marvelling after stopping Jack London m the ninth round. The original match was with the Zulu Kid, but he didn't show up, and London was substituted.
              Greb has an awkward, apparently clumsy, style m the ring. He flounders around pounding the air with his fists, but he has the knack of hitting straight m spite of all his seeming inability to stand up straight. His method of milling is disconcerting to many of his opponents. Pittsburg goes en masse, to see him fight, and laughs at his funny efforts, but is ready to mortgage everything and bet it on. its favorite son when he goes into action no matter who is selected to oppose him.

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              • #17
                LES DARCY.
                NZ Truth , Issue 616, 31 March 1917, Page 11. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have just posted the part of the article on the first Gibbons V Greb bout (keep in mind how green Harry was).... here is that excerpt.........---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike took a run over to Philadelphia on February 10, and, engaged in a sixround bout with a middleweight named Harry Greb, a dangerous, but not too clever, youngster of the Quaker City. Qibbons worked like a master, and gave the Philadelphian a neat trimming. Greb got in a hard punch in the first round that cut the bridge of Mike's nose, and In the fourth, in which Greb gave all he had, he puffed Gibbons's ear with a hard right. But most of the time he was taking every kind of blow that Qibbons could shoot at him. Greb's wild swings kept Mike stepping Inside, and at close quarters he dealt out a lot of punishment with snappy jolts of the right hand that, at times, had the Philadelphia boxer wobbly. In the first round Mike put a short /left on the Jaw and caught the tilting head with a right that took Greb on the jaw and made his knees sag. He did not go down, but he was near it. In the fifth, Mike again crossed Qreb on the jaw and made him reel giddily around the ring. He weathered this storm, too, and in the final frame was saved from dropping, by clinching at his opponent after another of Mike's crosses had caught him on the chin.
                Tom Gibbons, Mike's brother, had an easy time defeating Bob Moha In a tenround bout at Milwaukee on February 6. and bids fair to take a place In the front row of the middlewelghts alongside his more famous brother.
                Mick King seems to have got into the Darcy camp in America, because a writer from •Frisco states that Mick King Is In New York, and Joe Branigan, a New York manager, 1$ wondering whether he is managing King or not. Joe took Mick, when he reached New Vork

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                • #18
                  PUG PARS.
                  NZ Truth , Issue 888, 2 December 1922, Page 8....... Here's Willard talking about Greb.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The flashy Frenchman's defeat by Siki at least did not surprise one man. That man or mountain was Jess Willartf. Said he to a newspaper man Just after the sensational -fight: "CarpentleVs defeat was no surprise to me. There are several good boys In this country who could have taken his measure had they been given the chance. Harry Greb could "beat Carpentier EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK". The French Idol was built up to meet Dempsey. He gained a lot of notoriety, but never beat anybody. His conqueror will be hailed as a wonder man, but he will have to beat some other good man before his real worth as a fighter will be known. I have always contended that Dempsey didn't accomplish any great feat when he whipped Carpentier. Now that the Frenchman has been beaten, the present heavyweight champion will have to scratch his name off the -list, and it brings the day and date he. will have to meet me a little closer. Jack Kearns had his plans laid to go to Paris or London and defeat Carpentier once before the Frenchman re 7 tired,............................. etc.... goes on about Carpentier,,,, he did thrash Ted Kid Lewis.... of course he was much bigger so delete that.. lol.

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                  • #19
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                    • #20
                      I do have some history credentials.

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