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Vasyl Lomachenko by T/KO 48 88.89%
Vasyl Lomachenko by Decision 4 7.41%
Anthony Crolla by T/KO 0 0%
Anthony Crolla by Decision 1 1.85%
Draw/Too close 1 1.85%
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Old 04-13-2019, 09:45 AM #461
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Wheres the dumbass that said lomachenko earned the p4p status by beating 12 great opponents lol
Nobody is even close to him p4p.
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Old 04-13-2019, 10:14 AM #462
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Ain't happening, Floyd and ellerbe don't want another Broner- maidana fiasco...not so early at least...
They don't want the kid tom have a mental breakdown.
I agree. He is still green and needs more time, seasoning and experience in order to develop. The kid isn't ready for Loma yet. He is still young. Just give him a few more years and he will. Moreover, the very same could be said about Teófimo López. He needs more time to groom also.
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Old 04-13-2019, 10:16 AM #463
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Man that’s so disrespectful to put Loma and Davis in the same sentence. Of course homie, not even Mayweather believes Tank has a chance. Go sell falafel, brah. You know 0 about boxing.
I never once he did and also while you're at it go eat a dick!
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Old 04-13-2019, 10:33 AM #464
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That's what I tell everybody about Lopez, everybody look like tyson versus overmatched oppo, and crolla is way better than Magdaleno or Menard.

Teo ain't ready. Bob won't waste his prospect with Loma, Loma ruins careers.
very true, cause Crolla talking about retiring now, before the fight he was saying he could have 3-4 left, look at walters,where is he
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Old 04-13-2019, 11:47 AM #465
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The P4P debate doesn't need to be changed though because it's basically set in stone for the foreseeable future. P4P is not won overnight. Loma earned that very gradually over years of hard work and risky fights. 12-0 dominating undefeated GRJ, who had 20 fights, in his 3rd pro fight. 7-0 dominating undefeated Walters, only man to stop Donaire, in Loma's 7th pro fight, making Walters quit. Boxing 21 minutes in the ring vs Rigo without getting hit once. Crawford got hit 5 or 10 times more in the first round vs Gamboa as Loma did the entire fight vs Rigo, before making Rigo quit.

Then in his first fight at 135, Loma was the first to outbox, and stop to the body, lightweight champ Linares, who given that Mikey has been sneakily struggling to make 135 this entire time, which is why even at 135 he had a detour at 140 before coming back down, was the real #1 lightweight when Loma fought him. Yes Mikey appears better because he's really a 140 pounder draining down and that's why he looks so much more powerful and stronger, but out of the real normal sized lightweights, Linares was the best and Loma was the first to outbox him and stop him to the body as well.

So Loma doesn't have to do anything spectacular, he just has to maintain a high level. It's Crawford that is what, 3 top wins behind Loma still? 4? If you don't count Rigo, it's 3. If you count Rigo and Gamboa both, it's 3. If you count Rigo but not Gamboa, since Gamboa was never as good as Rigo, and was best at 126 meanwhile Crawford's natural weight is 147, then it's 4.

So 3 or 4. Loma needs to fight Crolla 3 more times, while Crawford fights three top guys on the level of Linares, Walters, and GRJ in a row, and then Crawford might be tied for Loma outside of the fact that he still isn't fighting as high above his natural weight as Loma is. But until then, the only reason the commentators keep mentioning Crawford's name and saying there is a debate is to drive ratings, clicks, and to promote Crawford because he is ESPN's only big American star. Otherwise all they have is foreign guys like Loma and Fury and I guess they want one of their stars to be American.

That's it. It's no surprise the only media to have Crawford #1 P4P, hilariously, is the "American Boxing Writers Association." Whether they're homers, or they're helping their corporate buddies, who knows, but there's zero argument based on any of the data available to rank Crawford above Loma in the P4P, and the compubox stats back that up too if you go look at their leaderboards, not just everything else I said. Loma has performed better, statistically, than Crawford, despite facing tougher opposition than Crawford. He is the P4P King for a reason.

And for the record, in the same weight class as Loma is currently fighting, Terence Crawford went 12 rounds with Ricky Burns, and lost 3 or 4 rounds. Crolla beat Burns at 135, and Loma just annihilated Crolla. But when Crawford struggled with Burns, no one said ****. This is why people say there is major bias against Lomachenko, or for Crawford, because you constantly see these insane double standards over and over. People don't even bring up that since 18 years of age, Lomachenko has moved up almost twice as many pounds in weight as Crawford has, yet he's still fighting better guys than Crawford and performing as dominantly or more than Crawford fighting at a much higher weight, with a much greater degree of difficulty in terms of height, reach, and weight, than Crawford.

I mean, isn't that sort of the definition of pound for pound? I'm telling you, if Lomachenko was American, and Crawford was Ukrainian, the commentators wouldn't even be talking about Crawford in the same sentence as Lomachenko. Don't get me wrong, Crawford is great, but Lomachenko is one of those boxers like Floyd and Manny who only come around every few decades. As great as Crawford is, there is a gap there, in both resume and technical ability, between him and Loma that the commentators are downplaying, in my opinion out of homer bias, because, again in my opinion, Crawford is an American welterweight they want to market on big PPVs, while Lomachenko is a foreigner who doesn't speak good english and fights in a less popular weight class for casual fans. Remember, it's like they always say, "boxing is a business," and for BUSINESS reasons, it pays to promote Crawford as Lomachenko's equal in the ring. But in terms of the actual sport of boxing, Lomachenko is a ways ahead of the pack right now. Crawford may be leading the pack, but he's still back with the pack a ways behind Loma.
While there is much truth here, everything you say also applies to Fury, he is basically Sweet Pea in the HW division, he also toys with his opponents.

You also can't have him below #2 responsibly, dominating Wlad is better objectively than anything Lomachenko has done. Dominating Rigo was his most impressive performance to me, and that is second to dominating Wlad from an accomplishment perspective, something which is really Rogos fault, or his teams.
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Old 04-13-2019, 11:57 AM #466
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I have to ask you a question. Have you ever been in the ring with someone who could really fight? I have, I sparred with a guy in the 90s who was suppose to be a big thing. I knew some people, I had a rep for fighting on the street so I ended up in the ring with a real professional fighter. Its a different world when you throw a punch that has always landed and they arent there. This guy made it to like 24-0 and a pretty high ko % and nobody has ever heard of him. I was exhausted afer 3 rounds, completely done and he never opened up on me. Im saying to you and every one here you dont know **** about boxing. Stop saying what some mfer should have done in a fight unless youve been there.
Savage lol.

Sometimes you just need to check a cat on here lol.

I've also been in the ring with real talent and you know immediately, especially as as fighter. Before a punch is thrown, you know the pedigree you are in with, and it can be intimidating and if you arent lose and comfortable in there, it's not going to go well lol. And when you land what you feel is your best shot and it either doesn't affect them or they take your weapon away quickly, you feel helpless.
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Old 04-13-2019, 12:04 PM #467
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What was the point of this bout?
Mandatory - only way Loma could keep the WBA belt.

I guess we could look at the WBA and question why Crolla was there, but in terms of mandatories, we've seen far worse. Crolla was Ring No.4, and we've seen past instances of some ALFA rated No. 15 'who dat?' fighter with a club record of 15-2 suddenly getting a title shot.

I'm guessing next up is winner Barthelemy(2)/Easter(3).
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Crolla is TRASHHHH i didnt like this fight when it was announced. Crolla is an eye sore get this brit bum off my television
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Wow!

Loma broke his hand. In locker room he said to doctor "I broke my hand", if he is out again for 6 month, then i'm done, he will be Thurman #2
I guess we have to wait and see what type of injury it is. Commey's injury was ligaments in Feb. Commey said he wanted a tune-up with the hand before going in with Loma, sort of poses the questions:

(1) will Loma need a tune-up to test his hand too ?
(2) given both in same boat - why not scrap the tune-ups and go straight into the fight ? Both at equal disadvantage = no advantage to either.

The place he was pointing to hinted at a 'boxers fracture', which if a simple one, could be as little as 2 or 3 weeks for recovery or 4 to 6 if trickier, with no long-term effects. Assumes he gets rpoper treatment - which I think a given.

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This match was a lot like The Sauce Salka vs Garcia

To write an article about how great he is, yet saying crolla sucks at the same time does not work for me. There should of not even been a follow up article for this match
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