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Vasyl Lomachenko by T/KO 48 88.89%
Vasyl Lomachenko by Decision 4 7.41%
Anthony Crolla by T/KO 0 0%
Anthony Crolla by Decision 1 1.85%
Draw/Too close 1 1.85%
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Old 04-13-2019, 02:58 AM #441
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Maybe it's because I'm completely sober but I didn't like the ref cam over Crolla at the end. You could tell he was out of it. I don't see the entertainment value seeing someone slurring their words after getting knocked unconscious.

With that being said, I was impressed by Lomachenko but please don't make this anything more than it is. Crolla was outmatched. Lomachenko's movement and feints had him clueless. He didn't want to open up because he didn't know what was coming at him. It was a little better version of what Spence did to Mikey without the brutal KO. This fight didn't do anything to change the P4P debate.
The P4P debate doesn't need to be changed though because it's basically set in stone for the foreseeable future. P4P is not won overnight. Loma earned that very gradually over years of hard work and risky fights. 12-0 dominating undefeated GRJ, who had 20 fights, in his 3rd pro fight. 7-0 dominating undefeated Walters, only man to stop Donaire, in Loma's 7th pro fight, making Walters quit. Boxing 21 minutes in the ring vs Rigo without getting hit once. Crawford got hit 5 or 10 times more in the first round vs Gamboa as Loma did the entire fight vs Rigo, before making Rigo quit.

Then in his first fight at 135, Loma was the first to outbox, and stop to the body, lightweight champ Linares, who given that Mikey has been sneakily struggling to make 135 this entire time, which is why even at 135 he had a detour at 140 before coming back down, was the real #1 lightweight when Loma fought him. Yes Mikey appears better because he's really a 140 pounder draining down and that's why he looks so much more powerful and stronger, but out of the real normal sized lightweights, Linares was the best and Loma was the first to outbox him and stop him to the body as well.

So Loma doesn't have to do anything spectacular, he just has to maintain a high level. It's Crawford that is what, 3 top wins behind Loma still? 4? If you don't count Rigo, it's 3. If you count Rigo and Gamboa both, it's 3. If you count Rigo but not Gamboa, since Gamboa was never as good as Rigo, and was best at 126 meanwhile Crawford's natural weight is 147, then it's 4.

So 3 or 4. Loma needs to fight Crolla 3 more times, while Crawford fights three top guys on the level of Linares, Walters, and GRJ in a row, and then Crawford might be tied for Loma outside of the fact that he still isn't fighting as high above his natural weight as Loma is. But until then, the only reason the commentators keep mentioning Crawford's name and saying there is a debate is to drive ratings, clicks, and to promote Crawford because he is ESPN's only big American star. Otherwise all they have is foreign guys like Loma and Fury and I guess they want one of their stars to be American.

That's it. It's no surprise the only media to have Crawford #1 P4P, hilariously, is the "American Boxing Writers Association." Whether they're homers, or they're helping their corporate buddies, who knows, but there's zero argument based on any of the data available to rank Crawford above Loma in the P4P, and the compubox stats back that up too if you go look at their leaderboards, not just everything else I said. Loma has performed better, statistically, than Crawford, despite facing tougher opposition than Crawford. He is the P4P King for a reason.

And for the record, in the same weight class as Loma is currently fighting, Terence Crawford went 12 rounds with Ricky Burns, and lost 3 or 4 rounds. Crolla beat Burns at 135, and Loma just annihilated Crolla. But when Crawford struggled with Burns, no one said ****. This is why people say there is major bias against Lomachenko, or for Crawford, because you constantly see these insane double standards over and over. People don't even bring up that since 18 years of age, Lomachenko has moved up almost twice as many pounds in weight as Crawford has, yet he's still fighting better guys than Crawford and performing as dominantly or more than Crawford fighting at a much higher weight, with a much greater degree of difficulty in terms of height, reach, and weight, than Crawford.

I mean, isn't that sort of the definition of pound for pound? I'm telling you, if Lomachenko was American, and Crawford was Ukrainian, the commentators wouldn't even be talking about Crawford in the same sentence as Lomachenko. Don't get me wrong, Crawford is great, but Lomachenko is one of those boxers like Floyd and Manny who only come around every few decades. As great as Crawford is, there is a gap there, in both resume and technical ability, between him and Loma that the commentators are downplaying, in my opinion out of homer bias, because, again in my opinion, Crawford is an American welterweight they want to market on big PPVs, while Lomachenko is a foreigner who doesn't speak good english and fights in a less popular weight class for casual fans. Remember, it's like they always say, "boxing is a business," and for BUSINESS reasons, it pays to promote Crawford as Lomachenko's equal in the ring. But in terms of the actual sport of boxing, Lomachenko is a ways ahead of the pack right now. Crawford may be leading the pack, but he's still back with the pack a ways behind Loma.
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Old 04-13-2019, 03:06 AM #442
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Lomachanko vs Lopez .... Crolla vs anybody with speed and power is a Mismatch... Lopez would have depicted the limited Crolla
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Old 04-13-2019, 03:15 AM #443
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Bro when this fight was made Everyman and his dog knew Crolla was out of his depth you only have to look at the odds for the fight. I said prior to the fight Crolla will hit him a maximum of 4 times and get knocked out. However , who cares what I think let me go on put money on my prediction and that was Crolla not seeing the 5th round. I’m British so ideally I would want Crolla to win...... nope Crolla is average at best, he is a nice guy and all but he got what he deserved.

The entire camp he was talking about their amazing game plan and rewriting history and from the first bell just tried to cover up like a standing tortoise. Listen I get it but Lomachenko didn’t hit him with anything in the first round but it seemed his mind was already made up to survive.

Now when Crolla was knocked out that close up camera where we as the viewers got to see how it was like for Crolla upside looking up was disrespectful. I backed the winner and shouldn’t have to endure a close up of Crolla’s bloody nostrils in 3D
I honestly may be killing the messenger here. I apologize if thats the case. Im sick of mfers who dont know **** about boxing running their head. I really should stop coming here, the stupidity is overwhelming. Im not throwing that your way.
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Old 04-13-2019, 03:51 AM #444
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Zurdo vs Vlasov 2 at 175!!
I'd be down for that. First fight was way tighter than the judges had it.
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Old 04-13-2019, 03:58 AM #445
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Lomachenko's jabs are beautiful to watch.
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Old 04-13-2019, 04:00 AM #446
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I honestly may be killing the messenger here. I apologize if thats the case. Im sick of mfers who dont know **** about boxing running their head. I really should stop coming here, the stupidity is overwhelming. Im not throwing that your way.
It’s cool bro but unfortunately this is an open forum and you know how it is anything goes.

In regards to the fight my girl who doesn’t know s#hit about boxing said “ why is Crolla letting him just hit him”. I assuming you box so you will ultimately view it from a more knowledgeable / tactical viewpoint however, which ever way you chop it up Crolla was outclassed. Now you know what a fighter goes through so you might be more receptive to Crolla . However, if I say have paid my money to go and watch him or stayed up to the early hours of the morning to see such a dire showing from him understandably I might not be so receptive and out my annoyance in derogatory way.

If Crolla fought a brilliant fight and went to points I probably would be berating Lomachenko as I would have lost my money so I’m happy it ended the way it did from a selfish perspective of course
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Old 04-13-2019, 04:09 AM #447
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Hope he fights Lopez next cause Mikey could no longer make 135. If no Loma-Lopez at lightweight then Mikey should face Lopez at 140 as his comeback fight lol!
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He's too twitchy and relies on quickness. He jumps in and out. Fighters with that style don't last long. Loma fights similar to Pac in that regard. It's the reason why Pacquaio was seen as "shot" against Mayweather, despite being 2 years younger than Floyd.

Mechanical technicians age slowly. Quick fighters age very quickly. Most little guys (118>) are out of prime by 30, while a lot of slower Heavies are still very active and good in late 30s.
This ^. Be interesting to see if Loma can adapt his style to something a little less reliant on his speed and sharpness, because going forward that's gonna catch up with him. Coupla years - maybe - left at peak level I'd say.
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Old 04-13-2019, 05:19 AM #449
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This article really waxes lyrical on Lomachenko. He is a top fighter, but should take on Davis.
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Old 04-13-2019, 05:26 AM #450
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What was the point of this bout?
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