Comments Thread For: Marquez: Andre Ward Adjusted, Fought Well - Kovalev Also Faded

[Shadoww702]

Ask JMM if that "comeback" was anything to level of his comeback against PAc and watch his opinion change in an instant

He probably doesn't want to kill Pac this time??? I mean we ALL thought he was dead after that BRUTAL 2 minute KO!

[Shadoww702]

Ofcourse marquez is gonna favor the one who got up and fought back.

That's called HEART!

[Shadoww702]

Kovalev is more the know it all type he wouldn't listen to a conditioning guru like mackie shilstone. Crazy that Jackson admitted he has to trick kovalev into learning something new. He gets in very good shape but not elite shape he did fade.

I would like to see Ann Wolfe help with Kovalov's training!!! Good GOD he would be UNSTOPPABLE!!!

[Shadoww702]

I scored it 115-112 for Kovalov. I gave Kovalov the 10th round and that KD. But I can see ppl giving Ward the 10th and the 4th as well... NO FKN ROBBERY!!! Just a bunch of SORE @SS LOSERS.

[Shadoww702]

Kovalov won the 1st 6 rounds IMO and Ward won the last 6. BUT Kovalov faded BADLY in the end. SHT one of the later rounds he fell threw the ropes and needed them to hold him up. Another time he used them to hold him up. His stamina suked. He was CHASING Ward instead of cutting the ring off. He fell into Wards trap. Blame Kovalov if you want to blame anyone.

[ruedboy]

Ward adjusted by making the fight a hug fest.
Credit to Ward for surviving but the only dominant rounds in the fight belonged to the champ.
Xmas came early for Andre.

[aboutfkntime]

They are. Did Marquez even have Ward winning?

Regardless, there is more than one bias that exists. Just because this is a different one than the demographic doesn't mean the demographic bias isn't also real.

It's like this:

• There is the counter-puncher bias. Guys like Malignaggi, Marquez may not be part of the dummygraphic, but they have their own bias towards counter-punchers because they are counterpunchers.

• Then there is the dummgraphic bias. Just because the counter-puncher bias also exists, does not mean that the dummgraphic bias doesn't exist too.

• Same goes for location. You could have a Russian dude from Oakland who trains at Ward's gym, who says Ward won. You would probably go "See even Russians think Ward won!" and go crazy about it, while ignoring the other variables.

In fact, that's really the reason the dummgraphic gets everything wrong in the first place. They don't understand variables, or context. They use selective logic. For example, when May-Pac negotiations were going on, the dummygraphic said "Floyd is the A-Side. If Manny wants the fight, he needs to accept what Floyd offers, because Floyd is the A-Side."

They said the same with Canelo-GGG negotiations, that GGG should take what's offered.

But then! When GGG-Jacobs negotiations started, I heard the dummygraphic saying "GGG is the A-Side, so that means it's his responsibility to make the fight, and to offer Jacobs what is necessary to make the fight. Jacobs should not just take what's offered. He deserves at least 40%" (even though the actual numbers in his career show he doesn't).

That is the root of the dummygraphic's stupidity. They start with bias, which causes them to use selective logic, and then because the boxing fans dummygraphic is dumb, they're not self-aware enough to see they're using selective logic, even when people like me show them irrefutable evidence that they are.

The dummygraphic is like the "hosts" in Westworld. Once people start using logic around the dummygraphc, it's like when people in Westworld talk about how the hosts are machines around the hosts, the hosts minds just shut off and don't hear it. Same with the dummygraphic and logic. Once the logic starts that exposes their bias, their minds just shut off and it's like it never happened. It's like an inner defense mechanism that allows them to maintain their racist views without ever having to face the evidence that shows them they're wrong. They will do anything to maintain their racism and bias, even turning off their brains.

The arguments for Ward winning sound much the same as the arguments for Brook taking round 1 in the GGG fight (and indeed, 2 judges gave Brook that round)

Here was one report after the fight:

..Brook looked shaken halfway through the first round, wobbling on a crunching left hook to the head from Golovkin with his back up against the ropes. For a brief moment, it appeared the 30-year-old Brook wouldn't be able to withstand the mythic power of Golovkin for very long.

But unlike so many fighters before him, Brook didn't crumble, didn't retreat. He steadied himself and rocked Golovkin with a couple of hard right-handed shots late in the round, further riling up an already frenzied crowd......'

Note the sentiment:
- but unlike so many fighters before him..
- didn't crumble, didn't retreat
- rocked Golovkin (he didn't, he landed a couple of shots that did NOT rock him)
- frenzied crowd
- GGG's mythic power (definition mythic = no foundation in fact, imaginary, fictitious)

It mentioned GGG rocking him, so lets add this to some other information about that round
- GGG threw more punches than Brook (60 vs 52)
- landed at a higher percentage (50% vs 37%)
- landed more punches (30 vs 19)
- landed the harder shots (more subjective, but pretty hard to argue against)
- rocked the opponent (ie Brook staggered and had to hang on)

The rationale for giving that round to Brook sounded a lot like the rationale for giving Ward some of the rounds.

Sure you can argue it was Brook's round, the argument is given above. Most had Golovkin winning the first round. I see the same arguments as above for some of Ward's rounds, then defended by 'the judges agree'.

ward won

[Nomadic]

ward won

.........lol

[Sledgeweather17]

They are. Did Marquez even have Ward winning?

Regardless, there is more than one bias that exists. Just because this is a different one than the demographic doesn't mean the demographic bias isn't also real.

It's like this:

• There is the counter-puncher bias. Guys like Malignaggi, Marquez may not be part of the dummygraphic, but they have their own bias towards counter-punchers because they are counterpunchers.

• Then there is the dummgraphic bias. Just because the counter-puncher bias also exists, does not mean that the dummgraphic bias doesn't exist too.

• Same goes for location. You could have a Russian dude from Oakland who trains at Ward's gym, who says Ward won. You would probably go "See even Russians think Ward won!" and go crazy about it, while ignoring the other variables.

In fact, that's really the reason the dummgraphic gets everything wrong in the first place. They don't understand variables, or context. They use selective logic. For example, when May-Pac negotiations were going on, the dummygraphic said "Floyd is the A-Side. If Manny wants the fight, he needs to accept what Floyd offers, because Floyd is the A-Side."

They said the same with Canelo-GGG negotiations, that GGG should take what's offered.

But then! When GGG-Jacobs negotiations started, I heard the dummygraphic saying "GGG is the A-Side, so that means it's his responsibility to make the fight, and to offer Jacobs what is necessary to make the fight. Jacobs should not just take what's offered. He deserves at least 40%" (even though the actual numbers in his career show he doesn't).

That is the root of the dummygraphic's stupidity. They start with bias, which causes them to use selective logic, and then because the boxing fans dummygraphic is dumb, they're not self-aware enough to see they're using selective logic, even when people like me show them irrefutable evidence that they are.

The dummygraphic is like the "hosts" in Westworld. Once people start using logic around the dummygraphc, it's like when people in Westworld talk about how the hosts are machines around the hosts, the hosts minds just shut off and don't hear it. Same with the dummygraphic and logic. Once the logic starts that exposes their bias, their minds just shut off and it's like it never happened. It's like an inner defense mechanism that allows them to maintain their racist views without ever having to face the evidence that shows them they're wrong. They will do anything to maintain their racism and bias, even turning off their brains.

The only dummy in this forum is you. How can you even compare Triple Hype situation to Mayweather situation? Mayweather was a high risk/high reward fighter, but tiple hype is a high risk/low reward fighter. There is no comparison to be made in their situations.

Triple Hype is being pressured to give fighters a good reward for fighting them in order to change the 'low reward' part of his situation so that he can get the fight. Mayweather didn't have this problem because every fighter he fought got the highest payday of their lives when they fought him. It's totally different.

Everybody made sacrifices to become the cash cow. Mayweather took 25 percent split, moved up to a division he never fought before, and had to wear pillow gloves in order to get the Dela Hoya fight, a fight that took place in his 6th division.

Pacquiao moved up 7-8 divisions in order to get the big paydays and make the big fights, Canelo took a small split, and fought at a catchweight of 152lbs, and also had to fight Lara and Trout for high risk and low reward before in order to get his dues. Andre Ward had to fight in the super six, and then moved up to face the one of the two big baddies at 175lbs.

What has this triple hype done exactly except refuse to make any concessions when the bigger names and bigger draws have had to make those same concessions to get to where they are?

[Jrtxboiy]

You didnt watch the fight did you because kov did most of the hugging