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Old 09-19-2018, 05:06 PM #121
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I was boxing at 165. I'm 185 now cuz new job cuts into gym time so I haven't been training/sparring for a minute. Chris better take his shot at me now while I'm out of shape so we can record it & post it on this site....lol
Lololololol I get the impression he is not fond of you? How did you come to arrange this sparring session with each other?

You are around 5ft 9/10 which is pretty short for a guy plus you have a big mouth so Iím guessing you must be a good efficient fighter?
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Old 09-19-2018, 05:22 PM #122
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Old 09-19-2018, 05:29 PM #123
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Loma was 26 years old when he fought Salido. His 2nd pro fight is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned!
If that were the case, then tons of fighters in their mid 20's would have fought for and won titles by their 2nd or 3rd pro fight. History has proven that almost no one wins world titles by their 3rd or even 10th pro fight. Winning a title by the 10th pro fight is a very short list for a reason, let alone multiple titles. And when Lom's team offered Salido a half of a million dollars for a rematch, Salido turned it down and was rightfully knocked out for a lot less money because of his stupid decision, one of the dumbest decisions a boxer and his team has made in years in choosing Roman over Lom.

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Old 09-19-2018, 06:24 PM #124
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Amateur and pro is totally different without stating the obvious. If you have a fighter that has been boxing even as an amateur for 20 years and stick him in a pro fight he is a novice, regardless. Experience beats age if we are talking in terms of your second pro fight. If you are good you are good, the age factor means nothing just ask iron Mike.

Iím still not overly sold on Mikey but he has good fundamentals and that pulls him through Against Tank.

I agree with your assessment on Brook. I had big money on Spence that night and my face was like Jaz the rapper every time I saw Spence get clobbered with a chocolate brownie
I disagree! You can rescue a 25 yr. old Cuban Champion with 200 fights, and a record of 175-25, and throw him in with a seasoned vet in his 2nd pro fight, and it's a 50/50 fight! Rigo, Lara, and Ortiz didn't need "seasoning," they just needed a promoter behind them! On another note, have you seen Robson Conceicao? TR has a very nice prospect!
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Old 09-19-2018, 06:38 PM #125
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I disagree! You can rescue a 25 yr. old Cuban Champion with 200 fights, and a record of 175-25, and throw him in with a seasoned vet in his 2nd pro fight, and it's a 50/50 fight! Rigo, Lara, and Ortiz didn't need "seasoning," they just needed a promoter behind them! On another note, have you seen Robson Conceicao? TR has a very nice prospect!
Who did Rigo and co fight in their first 10 fights and if any of their fights were as tough as Salido a former champion may I add I will then grudgingly have to agree with you.

I will check him out. Never heard of him. I hope he is better than that Ryan Garcia because he is garbage. He gets knocked out the minute they put him in with a puncher.

Why is it I hear everyones dismay with Top rank yet all these young fighters sign with them. I’m not up to speed with the shenanigans of American promoters
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Old 09-19-2018, 06:43 PM #126
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If that were the case, then tons of fighters in their mid 20's would have fought for and won titles by their 2nd or 3rd pro fight. History has proven that almost no one wins world titles by their 3rd or even 10th pro fight. Winning a title by the 10th pro fight is a very short list for a reason, let alone multiple titles. And when Lom's team offered Salido a half of a million dollars for a rematch, Salido turned it down and was rightfully knocked out for a lot less money because of his stupid decision, one of the dumbest decisions a boxer and his team has made in years in choosing Roman over Lom.
Tons of fighters don't stay amateurs until they're 25! Loma is an exceptional talent, no doubt! However, don't forget that Ray Leonard beat Benitez at 23! Tyson won his title at 20! Oscar won his title at 21! Mayweather beat Genaro Hernandez at 21! Tank beat Pedraza at 23! Munguia beat Ali at 22! These are babies beating champions! Very impressive!
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Old 09-19-2018, 06:48 PM #127
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Who did Rigo and co fight in their first 10 fights and if any of their fights were as tough as Salido a former champion may I add I will then grudgingly have to agree with you.

I will check him out. Never heard of him. I hope he is better than that Ryan Garcia because he is garbage. He gets knocked out the minute they put him in with a puncher.

Why is it I hear everyones dismay with Top rank yet all these young fighters sign with them. Iím not up to speed with the shenanigans of American promoters
Who would pay to see Rigo right off the boat? Promoters give these fighters bums to build their name, not for the "experience." Look at the names these guys fight on the way to the title! Nobody knows them! It's not steel sharpens steel, per se, but it's "let's build your brand" then go for the money!
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Old 09-19-2018, 07:13 PM #128
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Lololololol I get the impression he is not fond of you? How did you come to arrange this sparring session with each other?

You are around 5ft 9/10 which is pretty short for a guy plus you have a big mouth so Iím guessing you must be a good efficient fighter?
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He threw a hissyfit and like the fake internet tough guy he is he challenged me to a fight so I said cool (I wanted a street fight bare knuckle) but since I care nothing about him and he cyber stalks me he's got to come out here to LA or pay for my flights and compensate my time off work which he then said he couldn't afford or some crap I just heard excuses. LOL, like I care at all about a middle aged loser casual boxing fan. He didn't even know who Usyk was and had never heard of him but was convinced he'd accomplished more in the sport than him. LOL.

He bragged about how great he is as a boxer so I simply asked show some video, show your name in a record book or something but he never could.

He got blocked because he's all talk and backed down when his bluff was called.
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Old 09-19-2018, 07:16 PM #129
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Who would pay to see Rigo right off the boat? Promoters give these fighters bums to build their name, not for the "experience." Look at the names these guys fight on the way to the title! Nobody knows them! It's not steel sharpens steel, per se, but it's "let's build your brand" then go for the money!
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Old 09-19-2018, 07:29 PM #130
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Tons of fighters don't stay amateurs until they're 25! Loma is an exceptional talent, no doubt! However, don't forget that Ray Leonard beat Benitez at 23! Tyson won his title at 20! Oscar won his title at 21! Mayweather beat Genaro Hernandez at 21! Tank beat Pedraza at 23! Munguia beat Ali at 22! These are babies beating champions! Very impressive!
There are many fighters like Ray Mercer who was a former Olympian who didnt turn pro till he was 30 and there is no way in hell he or the countless fighters who turned pro after 23 would have fought for a title in their second and their third pro fight. It takes time to transition from AM's to Pro's and that is why regardless of age, most fighters have 20 plus fights under their belt before they fight for a title. Again, just list all the fighters - regardless of age who won titles with less than 3 fights. It is a short list for a reason.
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