Comments Thread For: Canelo: I Want Golovkin First in 2018 - No Other Fight Wanted!

[Diego Rodriguez]

Don't be so easily manipulated. I never said those dates aren't important to Mexicans, but do you really think the promoters care about that? All they care about with regard to those dates is money. I'm not saying Mexicans should not have their important holidays... where did you get that idea lol? I'm saying the sport of boxing, and the careers of many boxers, should not be ruined just to conform to certain holidays. Otherwise, what about the holidays of every other nation or culture? You don't see promoters caring about those. Why? Because they don't care about any holidays, they just care about what day they can make the most money on. But what I explained is that over the long-term, there is more money in boxing, and it's better for the fans and the boxers, to just make the big fights as soon as possible, regardless of the dates, instead of putting entire divisions on hold for 8 months.

But don't get it twisted, I respect your Mexican traditions and holidays. I just don't want to see the sport, and boxers careers, put on hold 8 months out of every year just to conform to the Mexican holiday dates so promoters can make more money on those dates. They may make more money on those dates, but they are losing even more money the rest of the year waiting for those dates.

Also, don't you worry that they are just using the Mexican holidays? Basically selling out Mexican history, or at least corporatizing it, in order to make a quick buck? Do you really think it was respectful of Mexican history, for example, for Floyd Mayweather to schedule his fights on those dates and then come out wearing a sombrero and a Mexican flag? That just seems like manipulating people and using Mexican history to make money. I'd rather see the sport flourish, and Mexican history respected.

Cinco de Mayo is not important to Mexicans. The day goes by in Mexico and you wouldn't even know it. It is like freakin Columbus Day, maybe even less important because I don't think it is a holiday for most. Outside of Puebla you wouldn't even know it. It is more important here and let's get real it was pushed by industry as much as anything.

Anyways just throwing that out there. Cinco de Mayo is more for people here than it is for the Mexican born and raised in Mexico.

[mrpain81]

Edit wrong thread.

[ramses07]

Overwhelming boxing media, boxers and trainers had it for Golovkin.

All three major groups (fans, media, boxers/trainers) had it overwhelming for Golovkin.

You may personally disagree but there is a resounding consensus in public that Golovkin should have been the winner.

I actually thot GGG won 7-5

there were a good amount of swing rounds

the exaggerated reaction that a draw isn't justifiable is ridiculous

Especially by ppl that watch boxing twice a year

[Shadoww702]

I thought Kovalev won the first fight but it was close. Ward clearly won the second fight since he stopped Kovalev.

I agree that most GGG fans are also Kovalev fans. Just like everyone who had Canelo winning against GGG is also a Ward fan / Biased Mexican.

Is there anyone on this forum who scored 7 rounds for Canelo and doesnt have a post history of highly negative posts about GGG?

Most neutral fans & analysts thought GGG edged it. Me I wasnt surprised by draw at all. Only seen it once. Will rewatcc

Or C.

Im a Ward Fan and a Kovalov fan. I thought Kovalov won the 1st fight.

I also like GGG a lot but cant stand his fans. Their soo god damn obnoxious!! Theyre up there with Pac-Tards.

[Shadoww702]

I actually thot GGG won 7-5

there were a good amount of swing rounds

the exaggerated reaction that a draw isn't justifiable is ridiculous

Especially by ppl that watch boxing twice a year

I had GGG winning as well 7-5. I felt Canelo won the majority or the first few rounds and the majority of the last few rounds. And GGG took all the middle rounds. There was a lot of swong rounds that could of went eother way. So I can see if someone had it 7-5 the other way.

If someone had either fighter winning 8 rounds that kind of males me suspicious. If they did 9 or more for eother one then they did the dirty Byrd.

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

you had your chance, started off well and then you blew it. you can get to the back of the line with jacobs now.

the fear is strong with this one.

[Sp0rty Cr@ig]

Or C.

Im a Ward Fan and a Kovalov fan. I thought Kovalov won the 1st fight.

I also like GGG a lot but cant stand his fans. Their soo god damn obnoxious!! Theyre up there with Pac-Tards.

I agree 100%

I think his fans are What lead to so many posters on this forums being anti GGG. They are delusional & every single one of them thought GGG would KO Brook, Jacobs & Canelo with ease. With brook it was "he let Brook hit him", with Jacobs it was "weight cheat" & with Canelo they got caught up in the Adelaide Byrd score card. Excuses excuses excuses

[redmyth79]

If Canelo wants GGG again so badly, why is trying to stall the rematch until May? March is six months already, why not just do it in March? This is just one more thing that is killing boxing, even though it doesn't get talked about as much as all the other things that are killing boxing, and that delaying and sometimes even canceling the best fights unless both fighters can make the fight in May or September.

In other words, say it's June, two fighters are in the best form of their lives, and the best is ready to be made, its the perfect time, except one fighter has a small hand injury. No big deal, he can be ready to make the fight in October. And yet, because of the obsession over these two dates, instead of just making the fight when it's hot, the promoters say "If he's not ready to make the fight by September, then we can't make it this year. We have to wait until next May." So instead of a fight happening when its hot, and the division and the sport moving forward, everything gets delayed seven months, by which point the other boxer can suffer a more serious injury, or any of a number of things can happen.

Heck, Canelo-Cotto got delayed like an entire year simply due to the May-June dates as well, and that also delayed Canelo-GGG.

So here we have an aging, declining fighter, GGG, and a matchup, Canelo-GGG, that has already failed to live up to what it could have been because it got delayed for so long, but now they're looking to delay it another five months more than necessary just to line it up with these stupid dates.

So when you combine the delay before the rematch in order to line up with the dates, with the year long delay that already happened with Canelo-Cotto just to line up with the dates, you are looking at almost a year and half of basically dead space that has taken place among boxing's biggest stars and most interesting divisions the last five years, and for what? To make more money? If these promoters just used their brains, they would realize that a year and a half of wasted time in a boxer's short career is losing money, not making them more.

That year and a half wasted over just these friggin dates is the difference between Canelo-GGG happening when GGG is 33 and a half verses 35, a huge difference to the quality of the fight for the paying customer, and therefore a huge difference for word of mouth and the future pay-per-view market of the sport.

That year and a half wasted just over these friggin dates before GGG could become a mainstream star who could afford to pay his opponents big paydays is the difference between him being able to attract 3 more top opponents during his prime, and him having to settle for Kell Brook and Dominic Wade. It is the difference between boxing fans having gotten to see GGG-Charlo, GGG-Lara, and possibly even GGG-Ward, during GGG's prime, and boxing fans never getting to see those fights at all.

Now do fans, and any promoters reading this, realize the true negative effect, really the negative butterfly effect, that delaying the best fights for over half a year just to conform to these two specifics dates has? Not only are you spoiling the big fight itself by waiting too long to make it, but you are wasting years of both boxers primes, losing money off other big potential matchups involving them that could have already happened after their fight against each other had it been made on time, and preventing any other stars or rivalries or forward momentum at all to develop in the division because everyone else has to wait on this big fight to finally happen on the perfect date too, not just the two boxers involved themselves.

It totally ****s the sport. Middleweight should be the hottest division in boxing right now coming off of GGG-Canelo and GGG-Jacobs, but instead now the entire division at the top level is basically going to be put on ice again until GGG-Canelo II happens eight months from now. Sure, we might get Jacobs-Lemieux, which is great, but there will be no progress towards a full unification of the division, like there should have been years ago, because for the second year in a row, Team Canelo is making GGG wait to fight them while simultaneously also telling GGG not to fight anyone else in the meantime because he could get injured. There will also be no important mandatory fights taking place for the same reason, and those are supposed to be a key part of how the sport operates, meaning Jermall Charlo and Sergey Derevanchenko will also have their career momentum put on ice during what should be the hottest moment of their respective careers.

Now not only can neither GGG or Canelo, two of the biggest stars in the sport, build their legacies or generate money in boxing for the next eight months, all just so they can line up their schedules with one friggin date, but Charlo and Derevanchenko, two potential upcoming stars, can't breakthrough either, legacy-wise or economically. Once again, the butterfly effect. And it just goes on from there. Holding boxers legacies, prime years, stardom, and earning potential all hostage to only two dates, four months apart, per year, makes no sense on many different levels. I have no idea who first came up with this idea, but it was extremely shortsighted, and it's time for a change. Is 2017 actually going to be a turning point for boxing? Then it's time for the sport to prove it by doing away with outdated business strategies like these that are only hurting the sport. Let's see GBP and K2 put their money where their mouth is and make the fight in March, and in a fan friendly venue like Dallas stadium as well, rather than Vegas. Otherwise, if they wait until the beginning of summer to make the fight in the desert, again, then that will show that boxing is still married to the same shortsighted bulslh1t that puts money ahead of the sport, the fans, the boxers involved in the fight themselves, all the other boxers in and around their division, and money too. It makes no sense!

I read some of your bs but why not just right a book next time!!!
And for dates Canelo fights two times a year same as Floyd and Oscar did when they became the face of boxing. At least he fights twice a year.

[Lester Tutor]

I read some of your bs but why not just right a book next time!!!
And for dates Canelo fights two times a year same as Floyd and Oscar did when they became the face of boxing. At least he fights twice a year.

what he was trying to say is that GGG needed ALVAREZ at all costs even when he gift wrapped the WBC strap. Had the WBA not forced GGG vs Jacobs, they wouldnt even had fought.

Let's assume Jacobs nor Alvarez even happened, GGG would still be fighting xxx to beat Hopkins' record. In fact, it was because of the GGG vs Jacobs negotiations that stalled the fight in which it carried over to 2017. People dont focus on that. None of that has to do with Alvarez. K2 and GGG couldve made the choice to fight BJS and get everything over with.

GGG took step asides from Cotto...

the whole stalling time is ironically all the fault of GGG and K2

[aboutfkntime]

I read some of your bs but why not just right a book next time!!!
And for dates Canelo fights two times a year same as Floyd and Oscar did when they became the face of boxing. At least he fights twice a year.