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Social Darwinism suggested that we apply Darwin's theory of survival of the fittest to humans.

It said that because whites were on top, they were obviously superior, and thus it was to the advantage of the human race to do nothing to encourage the "inferior" blacks to gain power, because nature dictated that they did not have the genes needed to succeed.

It was also used to justify hatred of Asians and other races. It was also used as an argument against helping the poor.


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The root of this theoretical axis is based on Darwin's theory of evolution.



Racism and Darwinism

The greatest influence in the sudden development of racism in the 19th century Europe was the replacement of the Christian belief that "God created all people equal" by "Darwinism". By suggesting that man had evolved from more primitive creatures, and that some races had evolved further than others, it provided racism with a scientific mask.

In short, Darwin is the father of racism. His theory was taken up and commented on by such 'official' founders of racism as Arthur Gobineau and Houston Stewart Chamberlain, and the racist ideology which emerged was then put into practice by the Nazis and other fascists. James Joll, who spent long years as a professor of history at universities such as Oxford, Stanford, and Harvard, explained the relationship between Darwinism and racism in his book Europe Since 1870, which is still taught as a textbook in universities:

Charles Darwin, the English naturalist whose books On the Origin of Species, published in 1859, and The Descent of Man, which followed in 1871, launched controversies which affected many branches of European thought… The ideas of Darwin, and of some of his contemporaries such as the English philosopher Herbert Spencer, …were rapidly applied to questions far removed from the immediate scientific ones… The element of Darwinism which appeared most applicable to the development of society was the belief that the excess of population over the means of support necessitated a constant struggle for survival in which it was the strongest or the 'fittest' who won. From this it was easy for some social thinkers to give a moral content to the notion of the fittest, so that the species or races which did survive were those morally entitled to do so.

The doctrine of natural selection could, therefore, very easily become associated with another train of thought developed by the French writer, Count Joseph-Arthur Gobineau, who published an Essay on the Inequality of Human Races in 1853. Gobineau insisted that the most important factor in development was race; and that those races which remained superior were those which kept their racial purity intact. Of these, according to Gobineau, it was the Aryan race which had survived best… It was.. Houston Stewart Chamberlain who contributed to carrying some of these ideas a stage further… Hitler himself admired the author (Chamberlain) sufficiently to visit him on his deathbed in 1927. [2]

The evolutionist German biologist Ernst Haeckel is one of the most important of Nazism's spiritual fathers. Haeckel brought Darwin's theory to Germany, and prepared it as a program ready for the Nazis. From racists such as Arthur Gobineau and Houston Stewart Chamberlain Hitler took over a politically-centred racism, and a biological one from Haeckel. Careful inspection will reveal that the inspiration behind all these racists came from Darwinism.


Nazism's Race Theory and Social Darwinism


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Ernst Haeckel, introduced Darwinism into Germany and formulated a racist social policy for the Nazis.
Indeed, a heavy Darwinist influence can be seen in all the Nazi ideologues. When this theory, which was given form by Hitler and Alfred Rosenburg is examined, one sees concepts such as 'natural selection,' 'selective mating,' and 'the struggle for survival between the races,' which are repeated dozens of times in Darwin's The Origin of Species. The name of Hitler's book Mein Kampf was inspired by Darwin's principle that life was a constant struggle for survival, and those who emerged victorious survived. In the book Hitler talked of the struggle between the races, and said:

History would culminate in a new millennial empire of unparalleled splendour, based on a new racial hierarchy ordained by nature herself. [3]

That Nazism was influenced by Darwinism is accepted by almost all historians who are expert in the period. The historian Hickman expresses the influence of Darwinism on Hitler in these words.

(Hitler) was a firm believer and preacher of evolution. Whatever the deeper, profound, complexities of his psychosis, it is certain that [the concept of struggle was important because] … his book, Mein Kampf, clearly set forth a number of evolutionary ideas, particularly those emphasizing struggle, survival of the fittest and the extermination of the weak to produce a better society. [4]

In The Mass Psychology of Fascism Wilhelm Reich describes the Nazi theory of race thus:


Hitler got the idea of the necessity of a perpetual war and conflict among human races from the theories of Darwin.
The race theory proceeds from the presupposition that the exclusive mating of every animal with its own species is an "iron law" in nature. Only exceptional circumstances, such as captivity, are capable of causing a violation of this law and to leading to racial interbreeding. When this occurs, however, nature revenges itself and uses every means at its disposal to oppose such infringements, either by making the bastard sterile or by limiting the fertility of later offspring. In every crossbreeding of two living creatures of different "levels," the offspring will of necessity represent something intermediate. But nature aims at a higher breeding of life; hence bastardization is contrary to the will of nature. Natural selection also takes place in the daily struggle for survival, in which the weaker, i.e., racially inferior, perish. This is consistent with the "will of nature," for every improvement and higher breeding would cease if the weak, who are in the majority, could crowd out the strong, who are in the minority. [5]

As we have seen, this biological view that forms the basis of the Nazi's race theory is undiluted Darwinism. Nonsense such as that nature's aim is to 'cause superior species to evolve,' that it uses natural selection to do so, and that the weak are inevitably eliminated are really just a summary of Darwinism.

These evolutionist views, which have no scientific basis and are just a reworking of the superstition of 'ascribing consciousness to nature,' existing in animist cultures, finally reached their culmination in the savagery of the Nazis. The theory was put into practice in human societies, again in a manner in conformity with Darwinism. Wilhelm Reich continues:

The National Socialist went on to apply this supposed law in nature to peoples. Their line of reasoning was something as follows: Historical experience teaches that the "intermixing of Aryan blood" with "inferior" peoples always results in the degeneration of the founders of civilization. The level of the superior race is lowered, followed by physical and mental retrogression; this marks the beginning of a progressive "decline." The North American continent would remain strong, Hitler states, "as long as he [the German inhabitant] does not fall a victim to defilement of the blood," that is to say, as long as he does not interbreed with non-Germanic peoples. [6]

When Hitler said, 'Take away the Nordic Germans and nothing remains but the dance of apes' he based that thought on the Darwinist ideas that man had evolved from apes, for which reason some of them still possessed 'ape status.' [7]

This logic constitutes the starting point of the horrible massacres they carried out against various races such as Gypsies, Slavs, Russians, and especially the Jews, and the horrible insensitivity they displayed while carrying out these horrendous acts.
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So if you believe in evolution does that make you a racists now?
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Social Darwinism suggested that we apply Darwin's theory of survival of the fittest to humans.

It said that because whites were on top, they were obviously superior, and thus it was to the advantage of the human race to do nothing to encourage the "inferior" blacks to gain power, because nature dictated that they did not have the genes needed to succeed.

It was also used to justify hatred of Asians and other races. It was also used as an argument against helping the poor.


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The root of this theoretical axis is based on Darwin's theory of evolution.


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This bloated bit of copypasta begins (and therefore ends) with a claim so laughably easy to debunk it makes me wonder if it was a practical joke played by Richard Dawkins.

Racism... started... by Darwinism.

First a history lesson. Charles Darwin was born in 1809. His voyage on the Beagle commenced in 1831 and concluded in 1836. On the Origin of Species wasn't completed until 1859 and the question of human evolution was deliberately left unaddressed until 1871.

So the claim that "racism" was started by "Darwinism" means that you are claiming that there was no racism in the world, ever, until the 1850s. Bear in mind of course that by the time Darwin published Origin the Atlantic slave trade had already been abolished and before he had released Descent of Man the United States had fought a protracted and bloody civil war over the rights of slaves and former slaves.

It's unsurprising that this is a religious source. It never ceases to surprise me how committed the self-styled defenders of ultimate truths are to concocting the most vicious of lies.
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Biggest bullshatt thread of history of BS. No need to read the entire crap cause the title is horrid enough.
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Here's an article about why the claim that Hitler was influenced by Darwin is nonsense:

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Origin was on the Nazi burn list for one thing. Also Darwinism and the notion of common descent was in direct conflict with the Nazi notion that the Aryan race was created as a superior race, not that it shared a common ancestor with those races they deemed inferior. Not to mention that Hitler was a persistent invoker of "the creator".

I'll demolish this as well:

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The greatest influence in the sudden development of racism in the 19th century Europe was the replacement of the Christian belief that "God created all people equal" by "Darwinism".
The christian belief was never that "all people" were created equally. The christian believe is that Adam was created, and that Eve was also created but was created to be inferior. Following that was the fall and then Cain and Abel, the first offspring, were not "created" but born in the usual fashion.... and even these were not equal! God judged them to be unequal causing Cain to become the first murderer. Later in Genesis we learn that one of the descendants of Noah, for the crime of accidentally walking in on his drunk naked dad, had his entire bloodline cursed to be enslaved for eternity... again no special creation, but definitely no equality either.

By the time we get to Moses we can almost predict that there's going to be something screwy about godly favouritism, and lo and behold, we see the chapter after chapter detailing the exploits of the very special "chosen people" of the supreme ruler of the universe!

Almost every single assertion in that whole article is wrong. TS is a douche.
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I see that squealpiggy did a more than adequate job of thrashing the TS adopted message, so I won't add any more punishment.

But I will add, that the concept behind eugenics shaped many minds throughout history .... I'll leave it there.

To say that this one or that one started racism is utterly absurd.
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I see that squealpiggy did a more than adequate job of thrashing the TS adopted message, so I won't add any more punishment.

But I will add, that the concept behind eugenics shaped many minds throughout history .... I'll leave it there.

To say that this one or that one started racism is utterly absurd.
It's also worth noting that while evolution is science, eugenics is pseudoscience, and eugenics is in fact pretty far removed from the concept of natural selection having more in common with the artificial selection of domestic animal breeding.

The interesting thing about eugenics is that it was first proposed by Plato and thus predates Darwinism by more than 2000 years.
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piggy you never seem to amaze me. This thread was nothing but a bait thread knowing your dumb azz would come in here defending anything against evolution or darwinism
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piggy you never seem to amaze me. This thread was nothing but a bait thread knowing your dumb azz would come in here defending anything against evolution or darwinism
Poe's law, named after its author Nathan Poe, is an Internet adage reflecting the fact that without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between sincere extremism and an exaggerated parody of extremism.

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