Is doing 100s of sit ups another example of moronic backwards boxing training?

[GTTofAK]

1. Abs are not primarily for armor

Oh I disagree that might not be what you used them for most of the time but it is brass tacks their most important function. That is why they are fast twitch dominate. They have to be able to reach maximum tension very quickly. Fast twitch fibers reach maximum tension in about 7ms, slow twitch take 100ms. Thats too long to protect the body.

[Zaroku]

Its moronic and ignorant.

The abs are overwhelming made up of fast twitch fiber with one of the highest ratios of fast to slow twitch in the body. Think about it. The only thing there to protect your midsection is your abs. There is no bone. The muscles have to be able to reach maximum tension rapidly. Slow twitch fibers are not the fibers for that job.

Like all fast twitch fibers the muscles in the abs respond best to weighted rapid exercise. 100s of situps, near 0 resistance, wont do what one set of weighted crunches or a roman chair can do.

I agree with you, but we are talking about Alexkid. My 6 second sharpie marker ab creator, basically drawing abs on his gut is all he actually needs!

[ShoulderRoll]

Its moronic and ignorant.

The abs are overwhelming made up of fast twitch fiber with one of the highest ratios of fast to slow twitch in the body. Think about it. The only thing there to protect your midsection is your abs. There is no bone. The muscles have to be able to reach maximum tension rapidly. Slow twitch fibers are not the fibers for that job.

Like all fast twitch fibers the muscles in the abs respond best to weighted rapid exercise. 100s of situps, near 0 resistance, wont do what one set of weighted crunches or a roman chair can do.

Yet somehow generations of champion boxers have built up their abs with high rep work.

[Tago Nang Tago]

wtf shoulderroll you ruined this thread with your video. i can't read any responses after your post.

[GTTofAK]

Yet somehow generations of champion boxers have built up their abs with high rep work.

I saw a 1:30 of fast dynamic work more intended for mobility and stamina than actual strength. I do something very similar.

Sprinter Situps X 20
V ups X 15
Toe Touches X 15
Hip Ups X 15

Notice that both what I do and what Kovolev was doing are not simply isolating the abs. These kind of circuits are way more about muscle coordination between your core and the rest of your body.

I dont confuse it with actual strength work.

Can you build abs strength doing light high rep work. Of course, something is better than nothing. Is it the optimal way to strength train the fast twitch dominate abs. Not in the slightest. Your 100 crunches isn't worth 10 weighted roman chair crunches.

[GelfSara]

Yes. It is an extremely silly practice.

[ShoulderRoll]

Yes. It is an extremely silly practice.

If it gets the job done for world champion boxers to this day then it must not be that silly of a practice.

[GelfSara]

If it gets the job done for world champion boxers to this day then it must not be that silly of a practice.

This is the same "argument" boxing fans use against proper weight training for other body parts: Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Sugar Ray Leonard, etc. didn't train their necks, didn't train their legs, didn't lift weights in general, and all three are all-time greats, THEREFORE, one should not train one's neck, should not train one's legs, and one should not lift weights in general.

This logical fallacy--known as "appeal to accomplishment" posits that because a person or persons became successful whilst doing certain things, those things represent the optimal approaches or techniques, didn't detract from the achievements of the successful person or persons, etc.

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[Lucky86]

Your abs probably need the most endurance training. They are involved in every motion you make from punching, head movement, blocking etc...

Plus don’t tense your stomach if you see a body shot
Coming. You move your elbow to block it and slightly turn your body toward the shot if it’s a hook.

[GelfSara]

If it gets the job done for world champion boxers to this day then it must not be that silly of a practice.

This is the same "argument" boxing fans use against proper weight training for other body parts: Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Sugar Ray Leonard, etc. didn't train their necks, didn't train their legs, didn't lift weights in general, and all three are all-time greats, THEREFORE, one should not train one's neck, should not train one's legs, and one should not lift weights in general.

This logical fallacy--known as "appeal to accomplishment" posits that because a person or persons became successful whilst doing certain things, those things represent the optimal approaches or techniques (at best), or didn't hinder the achievements of the successful person or persons (at worst).

Those using this fallacy ignore two major truths--

Firstly, success is multifactorial and correlation ≠ causation. Carlos Monzon smoked AND Carlos Monzon was a great middleweight champion. Does smoking cigarettes help or hurt boxers? The evidence overwhelmingly suggests the latter; Monzon was great because his other attributes enabled him to overcome the harm caused by smoking.

Second, athletes and others compete against their contemporaries, and contemporaries often use very similar technologies and methods. Bjorn Borg won 11 grand slam titles using a small, heavy wooden racket. Do any current pros use wooden rackets? No, because they would be demolished if they did. Why then was Borg so successful? Because, of course, he was competing against players who ALSO used wooden rackets; just as Louis, Marciano, etc. were competing against heavyweights who did not lift, train their necks, etc.

The purpose of training the rectus abdominis and internal and external obliques is to stimulate an adaptive response in these muscle groups; via proper and progressive training--and sufficient rest--these muscle groups will eventually become as large and as strong as they are capable of becoming. As a consequence of such training a boxer will not only be much better prepared to absorb punches to the body, but he will also be able to contract and rotate his trunk much more quickly and throw faster and more powerful right hands (if orthodox) and hooks. If one chronically overtrains the abs, however--using endless repetitions performed daily with little resistance--the exact opposite will happen--as will happen with any other muscle group.

Why, in general, is resistance training for boxers so poorly conceived? Why do extremely wealthy boxers such as GGG train their necks against the ropes of a boxing ring instead of with a MedX (or other) neck machine? The answer lies in the cloistered nature of the boxing community and the impoverished background many in the sport hail from. Change has been coming to the sport, but very slowly; more than any other sport, boxing seems to revere tradition and antiquity.