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Old 06-07-2017, 09:56 AM #10051
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Um no.

Thats about ONE company.

And Apple is very liberal. They aren't going to cite regulations for that reason.

I worked in that very industry for years, high tech manufacturing. It was regulations that killed those factories.

I've told the story many times of how those excellent jobs went from Americans getting them to foreigners getting them. It was sad to watch. Want to hear the facts from a decades long worker, or the press?
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Old 06-07-2017, 10:02 AM #10052
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Until you adress the links i posted and come back with links of your own, there isnt anywhere else to go on this topic.
So you absolutely refuse to say why you hold the beliefs you do until I play your game???

I'm not gonna play.

What I will do is know I have a "checkmate question" I can ask folks on your side that they won't be able to answer, just as you can't answer it. Thanks for that.

You've played role role, and now I'm done. Unless I get that answer about why you believe as you do. Sad you can't simply say why you believe what you do.

If anyone asks me to say why I take ANY position I do, I answer in seconds. You duck for days.

Telling, VERY telling.
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Old 06-07-2017, 10:17 AM #10053
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So you absolutely refuse to say why you hold the beliefs you do until I play your game???

I'm not gonna play.

What I will do is know I have a "checkmate question" I can ask folks on your side that they won't be able to answer, just as you can't answer it. Thanks for that.

You've played role role, and now I'm done. Unless I get that answer about why you believe as you do. Sad you can't simply say why you believe what you do.

If anyone asks me to say why I take ANY position I do, I answer in seconds. You duck for days.

Telling, VERY telling.
Sigh...

Lets recap again.

1. I made a claim.

2. You refuted it. You refuted it without ANY links, sources, statistics, or ANYTHING of value. So already you are off track.

3. I then indulged you anyway and gave you links with highly specific material explaining exactly WHY I HOLD THE OPINIONS THAT I DO. Keep that in mind.

4. You answered back again without ANY kind of sources to back up your own opinion but even worst, you failed to address the links I provided (on purpose).

5. Now you are telling me Im refusing to give something that I already gave you (see # 3 of our recap).

Still, you make me laugh with all your 'sides' talk. I clearly said I supported Trump in pulling out of the Paris deal, but supposedly Im part of a 'side'. You are good for a few laughs at least man.

Dont bother continuing this specific conversation until you have links to refute mine. Thanks.

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Old 06-07-2017, 10:37 AM #10054
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Sigh...

Lets recap again.

1. I made a claim.

2. You refuted it. You refuted it without ANY links, sources, statistics, or ANYTHING of value. So already you are off track.

3. I then indulged you anyway and gave you links with highly specific material explaining exactly WHY I HOLD THE OPINIONS THAT I DO. Keep that in mind.

4. You answered back again without ANY kind of sources to back up your own opinion but even worst, you failed to address the links I provided (on purpose).

5. Now you are telling me Im refusing to give something that I already gave you (see # 3 of our recap).

Still, you make me laugh with all your 'sides' talk. I clearly said I supported Trump in pulling out of the Paris deal, but supposedly Im part of a 'side'. You are good for a few laughs at least man.

Dont bother continuing this specific conversation until you have links to refute mine. Thanks.
Like I said, I'll be happy to go back to the debate, once I get my answer.

I must see where you are coming from in order to continue
. You refuse to answer. Since you can't, I must assume you are either an ideologue or a superfan because you cant say WHY youve taken the stance you have.

And with either of those types, debate is pointless. They do as you are doing now, actually.

Digging in, can't even justify their own beliefs, looking to 'win', landing Zingers, etc. Typical nonsense.

It's pointless, except for testing out checkmate arguments and questions to use in further debates, really.

Like I said, I found a question your side can't answer. I'm happy.

But again, I'll play once you answer the question I asked FIRST.
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Old 06-07-2017, 10:40 AM #10055
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If you've gave it before, simply quote yourself!!!

It's simple, unless you're ducking because you didn't answer.

And once I get my answer, I address all your points and questions. Yet you dig in and refuse to move the debate forward to me answering your points. Again, very telling you want to grind this to a halt.
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Remember, I'm asking you WHY.

That means I want your words. Not links, talking points, zingers, etc.

Just WHY you argue to remain disarmed as opposed to demanding the right to bear arms in self-protection.

It's really simple, if you believe that in yiur heart and aren't simply picking a team/side and arguing just to argue.
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Old 06-07-2017, 10:48 AM #10057
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We aren't talking about the Paris deal. We seem to agree Trump made the right call there (but if not I'm not arguing that anymore).

I'm asking you about your personal views on gun rights.
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Old 06-07-2017, 10:49 AM #10058
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Damn, you have no idea what you are talking about.. America invented mass manufacturing, the assembly line, etc..

We also invented and use labor laws, and third worlders didn't, so now companies take manufacturing to third world crapholes that don't have modern labor laws to save a buck..

How stupid do you have to be to claim America has no expertise in manufacturing and somehow some 12 year old Asian in a sweatshop is an expert..

You are losing a lot of your intellectual credibility in this thread..

"America wealth came from pollution"

"America has no mass manufacturing expertise"


Any other retarded nuggets of wisdom?
So what is the solution? Do away with labor laws?
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To both of you, labor is a factor, but not always as big as made out to be. It depends. Sugar made a great point I'll expand on....

Not all manufacturing is equal in terms of needed labor. For example, we know you can use Asian kids paid pennies to make Nike shoes. That works for them.

But you cant terms of say silicon chip manufacturing. Kids won't cut it. You need engineers, technicians, and operators with education and training to do the jobs.

Do they make less than American silicon chip factory (called wafer fabs, fyi) workers? Yes. But not near enough less to justify the increased logistics costs and the dangers of sending build plans to countries like China who do not respect intellectual property and copyright laws we do.

So when you see new regulations, expect to see Americans getting pink slips and Asians getting more jobs. It's like clockwork, but too many refuse to accept this reality.

The real savings come from the regulations costs. It's not even close. Again, speaking solely for my industry.
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Like I said, I'll be happy to go back to the debate, once I get my answer.

I must see where you are coming from in order to continue
. You refuse to answer. Since you can't, I must assume you are either an ideologue or a superfan because you cant say WHY youve taken the stance you have.

And with either of those types, debate is pointless. They do as you are doing now, actually.

Digging in, can't even justify their own beliefs, looking to 'win', landing Zingers, etc. Typical nonsense.

It's pointless, except for testing out checkmate arguments and questions to use in further debates, really.

Like I said, I found a question your side can't answer. I'm happy.

But again, I'll play once you answer the question I asked FIRST.

WTF are you going on about?

What question did you ask first?

What 'side' are you talking about?
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