Kell Brook was never really that good - Page 9

Bjl12

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Originally Posted by Bjl12

Loma looked great across more than one division and looked impressive against Russel Jr. and Nicholas Walters. Crawford has been dominant in more than one weight class and looked dominant against Gamboa, Burns, and Postol.

The point is when Loma and Crawford stepped up in competition or weight classes, they maintained their dominance. Kell Brook has 1 or so strong wins against Shawn Porter who (has since) demonstrated he was not as good as his hype. And in that fight Kell Brook was not anywhere near as dominant as Crawford or Loma have been when they stepped up in competition.

Brook also got stopped by an unproven prospect in Spence. Loma's lone loss was a fight he would easily win now, today, but he was unaccustomed the ruggedness of professional fights. That and Laurence Cole is arguably the WORST referee in the last 15 years.

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Originally Posted by Kigali

They didn't step up to the level Brook stepped to

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XD yeah it's a shame Brook hasn't fought other top tier guys because I honestly think he would've held his own. Bad management protected him for far too long. Meanwhile Lomachenko has solidified himself as "the man" at 2 divisions in under 15 fights :/

champion4ever

Obviously Eddie Hearn agrees with you because if he doesn't, then why on earth would he cash him out against a punching destroyer like Gennady Golovkin?

Sheldon312

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Originally Posted by Bjl12

Loma looked great across more than one division and looked impressive against Russel Jr. and Nicholas Walters. Crawford has been dominant in more than one weight class and looked dominant against Gamboa, Burns, and Postol.

The point is when Loma and Crawford stepped up in competition or weight classes, they maintained their dominance. Kell Brook has 1 or so strong wins against Shawn Porter who (has since) demonstrated he was not as good as his hype. And in that fight Kell Brook was not anywhere near as dominant as Crawford or Loma have been when they stepped up in competition.

Brook also got stopped by an unproven prospect in Spence. Loma's lone loss was a fight he would easily win now, today, but he was unaccustomed the ruggedness of professional fights. That and Laurence Cole is arguably the WORST referee in the last 15 years.

Shawn porter is better than anything on Crawford and Loma's record. That says a lot.

hugh grant

Brook was very good. Unlkess you was very good, brook stopped you very fast. Nobody could takje the punishment.
Spence is really good and brook tested him really well.

BoxingIsGreat

He's a pretty good fighter, to be fair. Take a couple of retirement fights at 154 and say goodbye to boxing. That face won't hold up longer than that. Good luck.

Basco

Always thought he was massively over rated based on his resume!

tokon

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Originally Posted by SugarRayCurtain

Hes arguably better than everyone at WW except Spence
It just happens that Spence is that good

Brook could have gone through Khan, Berto, Diego Chavez, Danny Garcia, Lamount Peterson and Thurman and possibly beat them all.

Hes a good boxer, very sharp with good power. Its just a shame Eddie Hearn managed him poorly and either gave him ridiculously hard fights like GGG and Spence or ridiculously easy fight like Frankie Gavin and no hope Dan.

Should have gone to Al Haymon

Khan is the only one out of that list that I'd have bet on Brook to beat, and only because of Khan's (lack of) chin.

tokon

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Originally Posted by champion4ever

Obviously Eddie Hearn agrees with you because if he doesn't, then why on earth would he cash him out against a punching destroyer like Gennady Golovkin?

I am no fan of Hearn and his bullsh*t but Brook wanting that money, anyway, anyhow, was a big factor as well.

nacho daddy

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Originally Posted by Shrap

I don't know what you were watching but that is absolutely not true. Spence was nervous and apprehensive at first, the fight definitely began at Kell's pace and he was the more comfortable and in control of the two. As it went on Spence took over, but in no way did he dominate that fight from start to finish.

Kell is a great fighter. He counters well, has a solid IQ and is extremely strong. Unfortunately he seems to have issues with either the integrity of his eye sockets or bone density in general, plus he's taken two hugely demoralising losses in a row. He will never be at the top of his game now.

the odds on getting 2 broken eye sockets 2 fights in a row must be 80 quad trillion to one.

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