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View Poll Results: Who wins?
2 Fast Fury by KO/TKO 13 21.67%
2 Fast Fury by UD/SD/MD 24 40.00%
Sonny Liston by KO/TKO 20 33.33%
Sonny Liston by UD/SD/MD 1 1.67%
Draw / too close to call 2 3.33%
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Old 02-09-2019, 07:14 PM #81
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A 15 rounder would just give 2 Fast Fury 3 more rounds to punish, if not stop a game but bleeding out Frazier.
Frazier? Or Liston? A few differences there lol
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Old 02-09-2019, 07:35 PM #82
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I’m very familiar with Sonny Liston, thanks. Liston had very long arms, true. Same wingspan as Jennings but shorter in stature. Sonny was also slow footed and had slow hands.

Stand facing the wall, close enough to touch it with your fist, arm straight out. Now without moving forward or stretching out, raise your fist 9 inches. Being relatively short, Liston would have a substantial reach disadvantage.
he was hardly slow footed slow handed. What he was was heavy handed, the same way Foreman is, who was mentored by Liston for part of his career. And under no scenerio would Liston be at a disadvantage regarding reach. I don't even know what my relative reach against the wall has to do with the price of tea in China. If you watch how Liston sets his jab up he is forwards, increasing his reach. To be accurate one would measure by putting the arms out raised back to back because....your shortness or tallness does not increase your horizontal extension into space...

You can use your position of the body and the legs to increase length and Liston had long powerful legs.

Your really misinformed about how reach translates to an advantage in combat and about Liston... don't take it personally. Heres the general problem you are having and others seem to have: You associate size with weight. So some idiot, I don't know if it was you to be frank lol, compared Eddie Chambers to Liston because of a photo. Liston did not weight a lot compared to today's fighters because he was in shape for going 15 rounds, throwing punches the entire time, the entire round. He was in fact a big man though. He had big hands, big shoulders and neck, large legs. In no way shape or form was he comparable to Eddie Chambers, a man of smaller build and more fat, smaller reach, hands etc.

Weigh is only a component of size. For example, I studied martial arts got an injury and was told after an xray that the xray did not work because my bones were very dense...I weighed 190 pounds or so... What if I am weighed next to a man who weights the same weight and is much bigger? who is larger? What is the relative weight of the bone mass, the fat mass, the muscle mass? If Liston came in with fat he would be a 24-50 pound guy... So what? it does not make him bigger. If he did so with muscle much the same...

Fighters were trained to go 15 rounds, muscle takes more energy to feed than fat does, a fighter would be disadvantaged to simply weight more. Look at Williams who Liston fought, the man had a perfect physique... Nothing extra, hence no extra weight.

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I am a fan of the Gypsy King. He has those old time, experienced ways of moving in the ring. I fully expect more great things out of him and to see him in the pantheon.
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I am a fan of the Gypsy King. He has those old time, experienced ways of moving in the ring. I fully expect more great things out of him and to see him in the pantheon.
He's cut from that old school cloth, as I once said about Maidana in a thread I am about to bump, as he has returned, to shake things up.
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Why was he overrated?
Because has one good name on his resume other than getting humiliated by Ali twice. People make a big deal about him like they do a lot of opponents of Ali.......just because he fought Ali.

Badly overrated!
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Not nearly as excited about him, lol, though good to see him come back around for more, at the same time.
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