Is Socialism The Only Answer For the Future?

[One_Tycoon]

Of course Socialism isn't the answer. Socialism is the problem....and we're already seeing it.

Venezuela is your current day worst case scenario.

And even your best case scenario...like the Denmark's of the world, who would wanna live in a world like that? Where there is no sense of moving up the ladder and achieving because all your basic necessities are provided for. When is the last time some big invention came out of Denmark? Conditions like that make way for a world of stagnation, people being depressed because of no sense of purpose, and the pursuit of Libertine base urges [drugs, sex, and eventually suicide...the last which might be a good thing?]

And why is there this built in automatic assumption that these Robots will be built to the point that all low skilled labor will be wiped out...and then that's it. What is this, some Matrix dystopia fantasy. There is no fixed amount of labor jobs that can be wiped out. You can always do something if the cost of labor isn't artificially high through Govt inflation. Private citizens can always hire somebody as "the help". Nannies, house keeper, cook...you name it.

There is also not a fixed amount of Robots that will be built into existence and then no more. New individuals will invent/create new things and with it, new jobs and opportunities. The economy can never get that stagnant...unless you make it that way through Govt central planning, which could be in the form of some Socialism with programs keeping everyone just enough fat and happy that they don't produce anything.

[Weltschmerz]

Denmark
Sweden
Valenzuela
Bolivia

Obviously, not every policy is stricly socialist.

Then it isn't real socialism.

[Spit Dialect]

#SOSVENEZUELA

I rest my case. Socialism has never and will never work.

[Weltschmerz]

Of course Socialism isn't the answer. Socialism is the problem....and we're already seeing it.

Venezuela is your current day worst case scenario.

And even your best case scenario...like the Denmark's of the world, who would wanna live in a world like that? Where there is no sense of moving up the ladder and achieving because all your basic necessities are provided for. When is the last time some big invention came out of Denmark? Conditions like that make way for a world of stagnation, people being depressed because of no sense of purpose, and the pursuit of Libertine base urges [drugs, sex, and eventually suicide...the last which might be a good thing?]

And why is there this built in automatic assumption that these Robots will be built to the point that all low skilled labor will be wiped out...and then that's it. What is this, some Matrix dystopia fantasy. There is no fixed amount of labor jobs that can be wiped out. You can always do something if the cost of labor isn't artificially high through Govt inflation. Private citizens can always hire somebody as "the help". Nannies, house keeper, cook...you name it.

There is also not a fixed amount of Robots that will be built into existence and then no more. New individuals will invent/create new things and with it, new jobs and opportunities. The economy can never get that stagnant...unless you make it that way through Govt central planning, which could be in the form of some Socialism with programs keeping everyone just enough fat and happy that they don't produce anything.

Danish people are considered among the happiest in the world, just so you know.

[K-DOGG]

With increasing technology and the certain fact robots and what not will make up the majority of the work force at some point?

For the best outcome, to some extent, I feel; but not under the current definition of the word, nor/any example of it in governments of the past or present, which are dictatorships or ologarchies under the the guise of "socialism".

Capitalism has no future for the betterment of mankind along it's current path, as it has evolved into a form of oppression with a divided class system of haves and have-nots, with the middle class being driven to all but extinction due to bearing the brunt of the tax burden and supporting most of those benefitting from subs******.

The flaws, and there are many, fall in the guise of big government, which is always a bad idea, and those who would leach off of the system, which hold the whole society down and promotes lethargy.

Incentive is needed for individual contribution and decentralized government is necessary to ward off excessive power-collection and abuse.

What is needed is a common vision, a shared goal which unites the populace and this must be done in cooperation with the need to appreciate and incorporate diverse cultural backgrounds, which promotes self-pride.

It's a kunumdrum.

[One_Tycoon]

Danish people are considered among the happiest in the world, just so you know.

The reason I didn't mentioned that in my post was on purpose....because I was expecting someone to hop on that train.

Yes...they are on paper. But there is no way to quantify that. How can you be happy? Your basic necessities are provided for and the cost of that is stagnation. You can't move up or achieve something that will enrich your life [though there are exceptions]. Your average young Dane is like that spoiled suburban kid in the U.S. who starts using drugs and doesn't know what to do with himself. But at least that kid is not the norm. This is an actual system in Denmark.

Those who do have high skills and have managed to use the Danish educational system to their advantage...are now fleeing the country for better opportunities, instead of having to pay back that "Free education" by being extorted through 60% taxation for the rest of their life. [with a sales VAT tax on top of it to add insult to injury]

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/26/bu...s/26labor.html

[Weltschmerz]

The reason I didn't mentioned that in my post was on purpose....because I was expecting someone to hop on that train.

Yes...they are on paper. But there is no way to quantify that. How can you be happy? Your basic necessities are provided for and the cost of that is stagnation. You can't move up or achieve something that will enrich your life [though there are exceptions]. Your average young Dane is like that spoiled suburban kid in the U.S. who starts using drugs and doesn't know what to do with himself. But at least that kid is not the norm. This is an actual system in Denmark.

Those who do have high skills and have managed to use the Danish educational system to their advantage...are now fleeing the country for better opportunities, instead of having to pay back that "Free education" by being extorted through 60% taxation for the rest of their life. [with a sales VAT tax on top of it to add insult to injury]

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/26/bu...s/26labor.html

Some well educated are leaving, that's true, but far from all. In fact, Denmark is one of the better countries when it comes to avoiding brain drain.

Also, in Denmark you find a lot of well educated foreigners immigrating to the country in order to live and work there, leaving a statistical balance between brain drain and brain gain. In fact, far more people holding a Ph.D. degree immigrate to Denmark, compared to Ph.D. candidates leaving the country.

[1bad65]

Unfortunately its the dumber lower class that are breeding like rats. Its a shame.

And those people tend to vote for socialists. So I'm not sure why someone such as yourself who appears to be advocating socialism would consider this a shame.

Speaking of this topic, who here has seen the movie 'Idiocracy'?

[Monaco Slim]

We need to introduce a parent license which is very difficult to achieve. I'm sick of all these unemployed entitled losers out there having 4-5 kids and receiving benefits for every single one of them.

[K-DOGG]

We need to introduce a parent license which is very difficult to achieve. I'm sick of all these unemployed entitled losers out there having 4-5 kids and receiving benefits for every single one of them.

I completely understand our frustration and have witnessed the same abuse of an outdated system myself. Personally, I think if labor were required to earn a set level of benefits from those who were physically able to work and also for the father(s) of said children, in addition to portions of said income from said fathers, this wold curb the problem immensely.