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Old 02-08-2019, 10:14 AM #21
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Yeah, read the proposal, she proposes we eliminate air planes to help battle climate change, and instead build bridges over the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean where electric cars can travel. This is one of the dumbest people the Democrats have and half of them are touting her as the savior of the party.
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providing all people of the United States with
(i) high-quality health care;
(ii) affordable, safe, and adequate housing;
(iii) economic security; and
(iv) access to clean water, clean air, healthy and affordable food, and nature.

Free healthcare,welfare and housing lol
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She has pulled her green plan from her website. It’s getting shredded from both sides.
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What! But Dunn told us give it a shot. Maybe he needs to call her.
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Yeah, read the proposal, she proposes we eliminate air planes to help battle climate change, and instead build bridges over the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean where electric cars can travel. This is one of the dumbest people the Democrats have and half of them are touting her as the savior of the party.

That's precisely why I said "WTF"...

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Im on board for Medicare for all, I am not on board about abolishing air planes in the next 10 years, and not on board on providing everyone who doesnt want to work with finances and housing.
Ok. Yeah some of her initiatives are overly ambitious and definitely will not to come to fruition.

That said, I can't see why people would despise someone who is trying to make the planet safer and "healthier". In many wealthy communities in this country they are reducing the dependence on fossil fuels in any number of ways. She just seems to want same in poorer communities.
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I did? where?
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Ok. Yeah some of her initiatives are overly ambitious and definitely will not to come to fruition.

That said, I can't see why people would despise someone who is trying to make the planet safer and "healthier". In many wealthy communities in this country they are reducing the dependence on fossil fuels in any number of ways. She just seems to want same in poorer communities.
People aren't hating her for her wanting to make the planet healthier, people are hating her for what she is proposing to do to make it there. The proposals sound like they were written by someone in highschool.

I too can say, that I want everyone to have a fair wage, live in a house, drive electric cars, and live one with nature. That is a nice humanitarian statement that few would disagree with, but then when I say in order to achieve this, lets start by raising everyone's taxes (because thats what it will take not just the rich) then lets use those taxes to give money to those unwilling to work, and buy them houses to boot.

In addition lets get rid of every single one of our fossil fuels, which means getting rid of airplanes in the next 10 years. And lets print more money, lots of money to rebuild every single building, Well then I wouldn't be surprised if some think im bat sh|t crazy.

What about Russia, China, and India who are by far the biggest polluters in the world, are they going to sign on to this green deal while we spend an enormous amount of money converting to it, or are they going to use that chance as an advantage to blow past us economically?


I have no doubt that in the future we will eventually transition into clean renewable energy, but it has to happen naturally and cannot be forced.
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People aren't hating her for her wanting to make the planet healthier, people are hating her for what she is proposing to do to make it there. The proposals sound like they were written by someone in highschool.

I too can say, that I want everyone to have a fair wage, live in a house, drive electric cars, and live one with nature. That is a nice humanitarian statement that few would disagree with, but then when I say in order to achieve this, lets start by raising everyone's taxes (because thats what it will take not just the rich) then lets use those taxes to give money to those unwilling to work, and buy them houses to boot.

In addition lets get rid of every single one of our fossil fuels, which means getting rid of airplanes in the next 10 years. And lets print more money, lots of money to rebuild every single building, Well then I wouldn't be surprised if some think im bat sh|t crazy.

What about Russia, China, and India who are by far the biggest polluters in the world, are they going to sign on to this green deal while we spend an enormous amount of money converting to it, or are they going to use that chance as an advantage to blow past us economically?


I have no doubt that in the future we will eventually transition into clean renewable energy, but it has to happen naturally and cannot be forced.
Thank you, couldnt have said it better.
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People aren't hating her for her wanting to make the planet healthier, people are hating her for what she is proposing to do to make it there. The proposals sound like they were written by someone in highschool.

I too can say, that I want everyone to have a fair wage, live in a house, drive electric cars, and live one with nature. That is a nice humanitarian statement that few would disagree with, but then when I say in order to achieve this, lets start by raising everyone's taxes (because thats what it will take not just the rich) then lets use those taxes to give money to those unwilling to work, and buy them houses to boot.

In addition lets get rid of every single one of our fossil fuels, which means getting rid of airplanes in the next 10 years. And lets print more money, lots of money to rebuild every single building, Well then I wouldn't be surprised if some think im bat sh|t crazy.

What about Russia, China, and India who are by far the biggest polluters in the world, are they going to sign on to this green deal while we spend an enormous amount of money converting to it, or are they going to use that chance as an advantage to blow past us economically?


I have no doubt that in the future we will eventually transition into clean renewable energy, but it has to happen naturally and cannot be forced.
I don't think it addresses anything when you only discuss her points from the worst possible perspective.

Are there some that are not willing to work, yes. The majority want to work but have been unable to find jobs.Also many jobs (as we have seen over the last decades) don't last for 35 years like our parents. SO her initiatives help people willing to work but are in need more than they give money to those not willing to work.

The housing plan is rooted in the fact there isn't much affordable housing available in many urban areas and addresses the fact costs of housing is rising at twice the rate of inflation. These are serious issues.

It does no good to fixate on one piece of the plan rather than look at the macro problems the whole plan is trying to address.

I don't know that they will but since when is the USA a follower nation? We have always set the standard, why would we halt progress because other nations do not? As for passing us economically, maybe people should have thought of that before companies took so much money from these nations, but that is another discussion.

How does it happen naturally if we don't set goals and try to achieve them?
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