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View Poll Results: Who wins?
Fury by KO/TKO 94 17.84%
Wilder by KO/TKO 222 42.13%
Fury by UD/SD/MD 174 33.02%
Wilder by UD/SD/MD 26 4.93%
Draw 11 2.09%
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Old 11-26-2018, 03:52 PM #591
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At first, I felt that Fury was damaged goods and couldn't yet compete with Wilder. After seeing "All Acess" though, I give him a chance to out box Deontay, if he is in the kind of shape that Freddy claims. But he must avoid Wilder's right hand.
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Old 11-26-2018, 05:49 PM #592
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A little disappointed in the Julio/Angulo cancellation, but oh well. Julio's done, but he kills me with his machismo displays during the fight
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. His crying to the ref on every foul. Something to laugh at on the undercard
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Gonna be interesting to see if odds change soon from 50-50.
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Calling it now. This fight will look like it ended out of nowhere when one of Fury's pull back isn't enough to get his head out of Wilder's range
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I think Fury wins by SD or UD
But I'll be happy too if Wilder wins.
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This poll is bogus as it was before fury had a mental breakdown.
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Can Fury get a decision with Wilder vs AJ in the works?

Didn't judges already have him a mile ahead vs Szpilka and maybe even Washington? He was somehow ahead vs Ortiz also.
They wasn't close rounds the rounds they won they easily outworked him.


I think Fury outboxes him, possibly gets dropped at some point but dusts himself off and resumes business. I'm just not sure he gets the nod boxing is dirty.
Why not?
Wouldn't AJ/Hearn prefer to fight Fury?
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Alrighty buckaroo, let's go on a trip.

For the most part you're reading too much into what I said and assuming some of my motives logically, but wrongly. I didn't say anything about Wilder being unorthodox or confusing Fury. I said Fury's training for the wrong fight.

You should never fight your opponent's fight should you?

What is it you see Wilder as? The same as Fury see's Wilder right? Incapable of more than, to use your term, slugging?


To be honest, I was much more scared of Fury taking Wilder out prior them talking much about how they're going to fight one another because I thought more highly of him. I thought his understanding of both history and the mechanics of boxing was well rounded but it turns out it is one sided. Tyson Fury looks at boxing from a perspective that believes the point of the sport is to hit and not be hit back. While it is popular it is not the complete story.

I thought it was well known because of Marciano, but, I guess y'all did not learn what Marciano was doing to confuse and frustrate veteran top class boxers.


When you can do nothing but "slug" what sort of things should you train for? Given you lack the reflexes, speed, timing, etc to box how do you train? What is the basic and fundamental gameplan?

Somewhere, somehow, in someway, the "slugger" has to have a plan that he at least believes will give him an edge over the boxer right?

Don't you think a slugger fully expects and banks on a boxer boxing? Plans for it, trains for it, and expects it?

So to circle back to the first question; you should never fight your opponent's fight, should you? What fight is that in this case? What should Wilder expect to see out of Tyson? Some boxing yeah? Because Tyson, despite being the bigger man, believes he has to box Wilder to beat him. For the same reason why so many ATGs who still hold world records to this day failed to use their size against Marciano.

Because all they see is a poor boxer with a decent punch and a handful of very basic tricks. So their plan from their perspective, one the complete discounts the existence of Pygmachia and by extension pygmachos who practice it's form, seems obvious because they are seeing cliche amatuer mistakes and devastating KOs and little else.

This perspective is a mistake. Pygmachia is so disregarded you, a hardcore and knowledge boxing fan and I say that with no sarcasm intended, do not know what to call it when you see it or what noun to use to refer to those who fight using that style. Slugger, Brawler, Puncher, Caveman, Gladiator etcetera are all bastard terms. Colloquials youse have used inplace of the proper term because you needed to express it in some manner but did not know what word to use.


You often hear fans urge a boxer who has more of their skill set aimed toward pygmachia than boxing to add more boxing to their game. Especially when fighting a very talented boxer and the fans get nervous the pygmachos may fail without some higher level boxing skill attained.

That's true. That's what Wilder needs to do to really shake Fury up. Just like the Bermane One fight if Wilder has a means to box Fury he doesn't have to be the superior boxer to Fury he just has to be superior to Fury's expectations and use that to outbox Tyson where he needs to if he needs to.

The equal and opposite is also true for Pygmachia's baby form* Tyson Fury needs to understand and train in some level of very classical pygmachia. Sword and shield boxing. He can already box and move just fine, what he needs to add and should be working on is understanding how the pygmachos lays groundwork and how they breakdown their man differently than a boxer over rounds. Most importantly he has to understand the posture and position game Wilder will present. Phantoms are not called phantoms because the audience can't see them. Ali's was very famous because it was hard to see but phantoms had been around for ages prior to Ali. Phantoms are called phantoms because the fighter can't see them coming.

It's the one you didn't see coming right?

This is what the pygmachos is laying groundwork for. It isn't a lucky punch taking advantage of a fleeting opportunity they look for. it is a very carefully orchestrated control over their opponent based on their opponent's reactions to them.

Just like a boxer doing early work to the body the open up the head later the pygmachos does work throughout the right to open up a specific strike.

Like a boxer a pygmachos will have multiple tools and tricks to work with, they will be adaptable and do not necessarily have a specific punch in mind any more than a boxer going to the body then head has specific punches in mind.

Create opening and capitalize. They're both going to try to do it in their own way, but, the one who fights his opponent's fight is going to have a hard time getting a win.

Wilder's team plans on showing Tyson unseen tricks. Tyson's team plan's on Fury's Klitschko performance to do fine.


* I didn't refer to boxing as a baby form compare to pygmachia to detract from boxing. Pygmachia existed before the Lacedaemonians became Spartans. Boxing, as in hit and don't be hit back, the martial art not the sport itself, comes from 1790s England. Pygmachia over a millennium of age on boxing.
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Calling it now. This fight will look like it ended out of nowhere when one of Fury's pull back isn't enough to get his head out of Wilder's range
Depending on how well Fury has recovered, this could happen early.

That being said, I won't put it past him to do what Ortiz couldn't.
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I already made my prediction, which is Wilder by late KO, but hope whoever wins gets full credit instead of he was out of shape, he was over-rated, etc. Both guys deserve credit for putting their O on the line, along with pride and everything else. One other HW champion was afraid to do that.
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