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Old 04-22-2018, 03:16 PM #11
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Typical example of a fighter with all style no substance.

Flashy fast hands but very little skill and IQ.

He's shown his level.
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Old 04-22-2018, 03:17 PM #12
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Dude will be a journeyman in 2 years.
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Old 04-22-2018, 03:20 PM #13
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He was never really that good. An average fighter with some style but tons of weaknesses. He's gotten the benefit of the doubt on the cards in every somewhat close fight too. He should have 3-4 more losses.
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Old 04-22-2018, 03:36 PM #14
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I think Broner's problem is a mental thing. He has the skills but he has a hard time putting it together. The only fight I thought he looked totally lost was the Maidana fight. And even then he made things interested towards the end when he hurt Maidana. He was never in any danger against Garcia but he refused to let his hands go. Last night Vargas was so open for the uppercut because he kept lunging in but he only threw it when it looked cute. The Granados fight was just a tough out but he gutted it out and got a close victory. I don't think the Taylor fight was close. He didn't look good against Paulie and Ponce but he wasn't going to lose those fights on the cards. I still haven't seen the Porter fight but again Porter is a tough out for any one. I think Broner is a little better than a gatekeeper. On the other hand he hasn't had an "easy" fight in a long time.
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Old 04-22-2018, 04:03 PM #15
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I thought Broner did alright last night, because he fought as a brawler which is what he really is. His technical shortcomings are really obvious and have been for years.

The only way he could cut it at the top was if he was disciplined enough to make 140 consistently, and then went to war with everyone he fought. I've always said his punching technique is excellent but he doesn't fight in a way that takes advantage of that. Partly because of his sub-par conditioning, partly because he spent years doing a stupid Floyd impression.
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Old 04-22-2018, 04:49 PM #16
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Broner just isn't and wasn't ever that good, straight up B level fighter his whole career. Can we finally call him the journeyman/gatekeeper he truly is?





Close fights with Quintero, Ponce De Leon, Paulie, Granados, Taylor, and now Vargas. He could have easily lost ALL OF THOSE FIGHTS and have a journeyman record if he wasn't so marketable. Factor in that he's been absolutely dominated by Porter, Garcia, and took a vicious beatdown by Maidana--hardly won rounds in those fights--and you get the career of an overhyped fringe gatekeeper.
If we look carefully, if it was not for the judges, Broner has either lost, or eiked by most of his fights. He is a protected fighter because he fills seats. If he is even going to be a decent gatekeeper he better make it so they can hand him decisions when he is not Kayoed, or beat from piller to post.

I think last night was such, that the saw we get that fights are scored by rounds, and that more punches thrown means winning rounds, was so violated that I did not even hear a reference to punch stat numbers. Also the british announcers were totally scoring every round for Broner virtually ignoring the many punches Broner was hit by. There were rounds given to Broner where he did not even throw a decent punch and was hit repeatedly.

With that said, Broner is making boxing into wrassling. Its really very sad.
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Old 04-22-2018, 04:53 PM #17
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Dude will be a journeyman in 2 years.
Homie, Broner has already earned that coveted position, high profile journeyman. Shades of Zab Judah come to mind.
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Old 04-22-2018, 04:54 PM #18
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I think that is correct. Broner at his best as he was yesterday is a Vargas level fighter who can beat lesser fighters but cannot beat really good fighters. He is a gate keeper and I thought Vargas won by a point or two. Really good fighters like Mikey beat Broner every time.
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I thought Broner did alright last night, because he fought as a brawler which is what he really is. His technical shortcomings are really obvious and have been for years.

The only way he could cut it at the top was if he was disciplined enough to make 140 consistently, and then went to war with everyone he fought. I've always said his punching technique is excellent but he doesn't fight in a way that takes advantage of that. Partly because of his sub-par conditioning, partly because he spent years doing a stupid Floyd impression.
True, but it's too late now. Broner would have been better off adapting a Shane Mosley style of fighting early on. He let his attributes, athleticism and speed, go to waste trying to look 'cute.'
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Old 04-22-2018, 05:03 PM #20
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Well...that’s what happens when you fight guys your size.

He enjoyed a crazy size advantage when he was at 35 but unlike Crawford, he didn’t have the skills to match when all things became equal.

Same thing happened to Rios except Rios wasn’t the fighter Broner was (though ironically...I think Rios woulda beat Broner with that style).

Broner is starting to reach that point in his career where I’d worry if he was in against a skilled big puncher.

He’s the same exact fighter he’s been except now that he’s the same size, he can’t just walk through them like a 5’3 Gavin Rees.

We’ve seen no improvement, no sense of urgency in letting his hands go, nothing. At his age you’d have expected big imrpovements throughout his entire 20s but I guess he just wasn’t who we thought he’d be...or who many of us wanted to be is probably a better way of phrasing it
Well, if we accurately compare them will see when Crawford will have fought in 4 divisions like Broner, meaning 147 +154.
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