Comments Thread For: Bob Arum Very Open To Do Talent "Trades" With Showtime

[Tom Cruise]

Feels like Crawford and Spence are the only two calling each other out. Need to see that.

Thurman I dont know whats going on with him. I know he got injured, but whenn is he back? He doesnt give me good vibes in terms of continually testing himself several times a year. Could be wrong, hopefully I am.

[Steven Mccowan]

One of the bigest myths out there is top rank only doing in house fights. Top Rank does less in house fights than golden boy or pbc. Only 2 of terence crawfords last 10 fights have been against a top rank opponent, that should dispel that myth right away but people only believe what they want to fit their narrative

Yeah. For the most part ppl just regurgitate things that have been said by ppl they usually agree with

[Steven Mccowan]

Feels like Crawford and Spence are the only two calling each other out. Need to see that.

Thurman I dont know whats going on with him. I know he got injured, but whenn is he back? He doesnt give me good vibes in terms of continually testing himself several times a year. Could be wrong, hopefully I am.

Yeah no ****. They should make that fight asap. Them two are fighters and really wanna be active in meaningful fights

[PsychoPat]

Can't arum just die already silly old fuk. i would love 1 minute alone with the bastard in a room I will come out with his entrails under my fingernails

[killakali]

Quality over quantity; outside of if there's an injury being dealt with, stepping into camp for meaningful fights is a far better proposition than stepping into camp for what you and everyone you know knows are bull**** fights.

If Terrence Crawford is content to simply fight tickover fights every 3-4 months, for whatever guaranteed money that he can get in his deal, that's fine. Tim Bradley went from being arguably the best fighter at 140, to jumping over to Arum and not giving a **** about who he was fighting beyond Pacquiao, and he seems to have walked away from the sport happy.

On the other side of the street, Keith Thurman is coming back, likely having either Thurman-Spence or Thurman-Porter 2 in the second half of the year, Danny Garcia is expected to come back early 2018 against Brandon Rios, Devon Alexander and Jesse Vargas are getting back online as possible challengers, Yordenis Ugas is heading into that mix, Omar Figueroa Jr is basically floating 140/147, you've got a few young prospects coming along at 147, and then you still have the trial horses like Andre Berto, Luis Collazo, Sammy Vasquez, Josesito Lopez and others to mix in, before you even get to the 140lb fighters who may move up.

Really, it's on Crawford. If the Pacquiao-Crawford fight doesn't happen, and Jeff Horn doesn't want to leave Australia, who is Crawford even going to have to fight three times a year with? Tyrone Nurse, Bradley Skeete, Ponamarev, Robinson, and then bottom of the bottom fishing from that.

So much for legacy, right?

It doesn't work that way. While Crawford is making 8 million a year Garcia can stick with his 1.5 million. And as far as the fights it works both ways. We already know that many of the PBC fighters aren't happy with their inactivity. We have seen their interviews on this site. Guys like Shawn Porter, Thurman, Spence, Peterson etc say they want to fight more. So when Top Rank comes calling and offers them a fight on ESPN against Crawford they are going to tell Haymon to take it and Haymon has to take it or look at the possibility of any of these fighters signing with Top Rank and keeping Haymon as an adviser.

These guys want legacy but they don't want to basically have 1 training camp a year either and work 2 months a year. They aren't happy with it and you can't build a legacy when you only perform once a year.

Spence already said he wants three fights next year and Haymon had to overpay him to keep him from signing with GBP. It will be almost impossible for Spence to actually get 3 fights in 2018 and if he does it will be at another one of Haymon's fighters expense.

With a lack of dates and unhappy fighters I think that Haymon will go along with this plan on a fight by fight basis. Crawford needs welters and Valdez needs feathers and Haymon has guys at 130 like Tank and guys at 140 who need opponents.

Haymon is locked in at 26, 47 and 54 but has holes in the other divisions

[Scipio2009]

Theres Lucas mathysse, amir khan, kell brook and a few others that dont fight for pbc, but in any case crawford fought felix diaz and john molina in a row who are both pbc fighters so they shouldnt have a problem making more fights as long as pbc fighters dont go running scared. In the meantime Top Rank should be trying to sign more top welterweights. And lets not forget that Crawford is the WBO mandatory at 147 so hes getting a shot at Horn whether its in Australia or wherever. He shouldnt have a problem at all finding opponents if he has the belt

That was at 140lbs, where Crawford/Top Rank had all of the leverage (and could basically dictate terms to every 140lb fighter not named Adrien Broner or Omar Figueroa Jr, who both bring money on their own).

That is not the case anymore.

Kell Brook isn't coming back down to 147lbs for any fight that's not against Amir Khan, and you're a fool if you think Amir Khan is taking short money to fight Terrence Crawford (when he likely sees the same or better money in taking fights with guys like Shawn Porter anyway).

So basically you've got Lucas Matthysse (if Golden Boy and Arum can come to an actual deal on a fight) and then unknown "other fighters".

Even in your best scenario, Crawford would have the WBO belt, while the expected Thurman-Spence winner would have the WBC/WBA/IBF belts; if given the choice, what welterweight with any kind of juice would choose to fight Terrence Crawford for short money when the money is likely much better and more meaningful in fighting the unified welterweight champion?

Terence Crawford fought in August and will be on the shelf until at least March/April 2018 (as long as Horn doesn't pick up an injury). If Horn gets hurt, who does Crawford fight even now?

[jjsmyth87]

That was at 140lbs, where Crawford/Top Rank had all of the leverage (and could basically dictate terms to every 140lb fighter not named Adrien Broner or Omar Figueroa Jr, who both bring money on their own).

That is not the case anymore.

Kell Brook isn't coming back down to 147lbs for any fight that's not against Amir Khan, and you're a fool if you think Amir Khan is taking short money to fight Terrence Crawford (when he likely sees the same or better money in taking fights with guys like Shawn Porter anyway).

So basically you've got Lucas Matthysse (if Golden Boy and Arum can come to an actual deal on a fight) and then unknown "other fighters".

Even in your best scenario, Crawford would have the WBO belt, while the expected Thurman-Spence winner would have the WBC/WBA/IBF belts; if given the choice, what welterweight with any kind of juice would choose to fight Terrence Crawford for short money when the money is likely much better and more meaningful in fighting the unified welterweight champion?

Terence Crawford fought in August and will be on the shelf until at least March/April 2018 (as long as Horn doesn't pick up an injury). If Horn gets hurt, who does Crawford fight even now?

Ponomorov, mathysse, anyone with balls. Crawford is getting the wbo one way or another since hes the mandatory. There are a handful of fights they can make and by the time he gets through them there Will be more opportunities either by fighters rising up or current top fighters growing balls to fight him.

[Scipio2009]

It doesn't work that way. While Crawford is making 8 million a year Garcia can stick with his 1.5 million. And as far as the fights it works both ways. We already know that many of the PBC fighters aren't happy with their inactivity. We have seen their interviews on this site. Guys like Shawn Porter, Thurman, Spence, Peterson etc say they want to fight more. So when Top Rank comes calling and offers them a fight on ESPN against Crawford they are going to tell Haymon to take it and Haymon has to take it or look at the possibility of any of these fighters signing with Top Rank and keeping Haymon as an adviser.

These guys want legacy but they don't want to basically have 1 training camp a year either and work 2 months a year. They aren't happy with it and you can't build a legacy when you only perform once a year.

Spence already said he wants three fights next year and Haymon had to overpay him to keep him from signing with GBP. It will be almost impossible for Spence to actually get 3 fights in 2018 and if he does it will be at another one of Haymon's fighters expense.

With a lack of dates and unhappy fighters I think that Haymon will go along with this plan on a fight by fight basis. Crawford needs welters and Valdez needs feathers and Haymon has guys at 130 like Tank and guys at 140 who need opponents.

Haymon is locked in at 26, 47 and 54 but has holes in the other divisions

Who is Terence Crawford going to fight to get $8m a year? Without even having to guess, Terence Crawford has already been on the shelf since August, and the nearest he's likely to fight again would be March 2018, assuming nothing happens to Jeff Horn. Horn hurts a knee or something (Pacquiao wants the fight in the Spring), and Crawford is likely out until May before fighting some tickover. lol.

Danny Garcia can basically fight and make $1.5m+ whenever he wants; his name is big enough, he's TV friendly, and he's still one of the top 5 welterweight fighters. Beyond that, no one was crying about inactivity for the sake of wanting to be active; Keith Thurman got hurt, Danny Garcia took time off, Shawn Porter only wants to fight Thurman or Garcia, and no one wanted to fight Errol Spence Jr. lol

Errol Spence Jr already has the Peterson fight set for January and Showtime is already stoking the fire for Thurman-Spence in the Fall. Add a summer fight in Dallas (depending on how things shake out, Jesse Vargas/Luis Collazo/Shawn Porter are all options), and Spence has his fights.

Shawn Porter is mandatory for Keith Thurman; if he's not Thurman's second fight back, it'd likely be because Thurman-Spence is happening; does Shawn Porter throw away a shot at the WBC/WBA/IBF champion to give up options and fight Crawford for short money? lol

Lipinets has the IBF belt, and the WBO and WBA 140lb belts are both vacant; no one is clamoring to head to Fresno and fight Jose Ramirez.

Gervonta Davis needs fights, but there are fights for him beyond Lomachenko. Should probably have known that.

[Scipio2009]

Ponomorov, mathysse, anyone with balls. Crawford is getting the wbo one way or another since hes the mandatory. There are a handful of fights they can make and by the time he gets through them there Will be more opportunities either by fighters rising up or current top fighters growing balls to fight him.

So, two fights.

Congratulations, lol

[Bossman15]

Crawford at this moment to me has limited options, when we talk who he could face. the reality of this is that he should of faced Mikey Garcia before he moved up or faced Pacquiao at 140/147 then Danny Garcia next then he should clean up some of that division then face Spence. but I really feel like he should not face Spence he needs the Porters, Garcia's, and guys like Jessie Vargas who I would of thought would of fought when they both campaigned at 140