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  • #11
    Cream always rises to the top. Rigo's career is stagnant because of Caribe. Lara isn't appreciated because he doesn't strive to be great. He wants to get by doing as little as possible. Ward's career is stagnant because of himself. All of these fighters can sell tickets and earn a good living if they have a realistic mindset and a solid promotional campaign.

    Technically skilled boxers can sell tickets and its been proven throughout history.

    But a big misconception is that only defensive counter punchers and pure boxers can be technically skilled. Brawlers, swarmers, boxer/punchers, etc. can also be technically skilled. Really they have to be to make it to the elite.

    Bottom line is, the best fighters will always rise to the top period with the right promotion. Nationality plays a role but only to an extent. Not every Mexican fighter is a superstar. You have to be skilled and win.

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    • #12
      All you have to do is look at most All Time Great Boxing Rankings...History Shows that Skills Trumps All

      Skilled Fighters are not unbeatable but if you don't have the Skills to match usually it takes a great Strategy or a Punchers Chance. Sandy Saddler did not have the Skills to match Willie Pep so what he did? His STRATEGY was to make it a ugly and dirty fight. Just an example but Saddler still had some SKILLS.

      It doesn't matter what so new boxing fan THINKS! This new ERA of Boxing fans are nothing but CRYBABIES, guys spend most of the day on this forum especially complaining about something or criticizing fighters for something.

      Rare do you see anything positive and that is SAD. Please don't blame it on no damn "Casual boxing Fans" it is guys who been signed up to this forum since 2007-2008 still posting the same childish BS
      Last edited by sicko; 03-30-2015, 02:25 PM.

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      • #13
        In terms of determining the outcome of a fight-I always take skill over power.

        In terms of what draws people to an event-nationality may make people tune in more. I am sure part of the motivation for Mexican fans tuning into Canelo/Floyd was to see if a Mexican boxer could beat the best in the world.

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        • #14
          skill trumps

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          • #15
            Originally posted by D-Checc View Post
            The will must be stronger than the will.
            -Ali

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            • #16
              Originally posted by Mr 117-111 View Post
              Cream always rises to the top. Rigo's career is stagnant because of Caribe. Lara isn't appreciated because he doesn't strive to be great. He wants to get by doing as little as possible. Ward's career is stagnant because of himself. All of these fighters can sell tickets and earn a good living if they have a realistic mindset and a solid promotional campaign.

              Technically skilled boxers can sell tickets and its been proven throughout history.

              But a big misconception is that only defensive counter punchers and pure boxers can be technically skilled. Brawlers, swarmers, boxer/punchers, etc. can also be technically skilled. Really they have to be to make it to the elite.

              Bottom line is, the best fighters will always rise to the top period with the right promotion. Nationality plays a role but only to an extent. Not every Mexican fighter is a superstar. You have to be skilled and win.
              Lara and Ward aren't that good.

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              • #17
                God given ability
                Skills
                iQ
                Charisma

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by Mr 117-111 View Post
                  Cream always rises to the top. Rigo's career is stagnant because of Caribe. Lara isn't appreciated because he doesn't strive to be great. He wants to get by doing as little as possible. Ward's career is stagnant because of himself. All of these fighters can sell tickets and earn a good living if they have a realistic mindset and a solid promotional campaign.

                  Technically skilled boxers can sell tickets and its been proven throughout history.

                  But a big misconception is that only defensive counter punchers and pure boxers can be technically skilled. Brawlers, swarmers, boxer/punchers, etc. can also be technically skilled. Really they have to be to make it to the elite.

                  Bottom line is, the best fighters will always rise to the top period with the right promotion. Nationality plays a role but only to an extent. Not every Mexican fighter is a superstar. You have to be skilled and win.
                  We all know why Rigondeaux doesn't sell, his promoters simply refuse to give him the proper push. Lara on the other hand, he has the skills and talent but like you said, he doesn't push himself hard enough. If he would have fought the Canelo fight the way he did against Angulo and Williams, he would have made alo't more fans and regardless of the outcome of the fight, people might have just gravitated more towards him.

                  Look at Marquez, he said it himself.... He was skilled and talented, had all the fundamentals to be a great fighter throughout his career yet the Mexican boxing fans ignored his rise through the ranks, for the most part. So what did he do? He modified his style and became more aggressive, sure he suffered more than a few KD's here and there but the people's interest began to sway. Why? Well because on top of being talented and skilled, he was now providing the audience with excitement, in turn they would not only be entertained but awed as well.

                  Originally posted by sicko View Post
                  All you have to do is look at most All Time Great Boxing Rankings...History Shows that Skills Trumps All

                  Skilled Fighters are not unbeatable but if you don't have the Skills to match usually it takes a great Strategy or a Punchers Chance. Sandy Saddler did not have the Skills to match Willie Pep so what he did? His STRATEGY was to make it a ugly and dirty fight. Just an example but Saddler still had some SKILLS.

                  It doesn't matter what so new boxing fan THINKS! This new ERA of Boxing fans are nothing but CRYBABIES, guys spend most of the day on this forum especially complaining about something or criticizing fighters for something.

                  Rare do you see anything positive and that is SAD. Please don't blame it on no damn "Casual boxing Fans" it is guys who been signed up to this forum since 2007-2008 still posting the same childish BS
                  Well, positive or negative.. what the fans think does matter. In fact, it goes hand and hand with any type of success in any sport or entertainment business. Does boxing have lame fans? Sure, but it also has a ton of great fans as well.

                  It's like Broner's ******ed statement after the PBC event where he claimed he outboxed Molina and risked nothing because "the fans ain't gone pay mah bills". How ******ed was that? Regardless of what anyone believes the fans do pay his bills, food, cars, everything! Casuals and harcores alike.. money doesn't discriminate.

                  Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
                  In terms of determining the outcome of a fight-I always take skill over power.

                  In terms of what draws people to an event-nationality may make people tune in more. I am sure part of the motivation for Mexican fans tuning into Canelo/Floyd was to see if a Mexican boxer could beat the best in the world.
                  True, but what about the Mayweather fights where their is no Mexican involved? Didn't GGG just fight overseas against a non Mexican National and he still drew 6 million in ratings down there? That's a significant number, and there was no Mexican involved. Sure GGG promotes himself as a fighter using the "Mexican Style" and all but I highly doubt that's the only reason why so many Mexicans tuned in. Just like Floyd, people don't just tune in to watch him lose... they actually tune in because a great fighter and usually brings some type of antic along with his performance.

                  Originally posted by GateKEEPER88 View Post
                  God given ability
                  Skills
                  iQ
                  Charisma
                  Ring IQ, right? Cause alot of these fighters don't seem too bright outside of the squared circle.

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