Larry Holmes was he really over the hill vs Tyson

[Capaedia]

Oh but Sam Peter is the bigger better version of Tyson and Frazier combined :rofl9: :rofl9: :rofl9: :rofl9:

I thought he was the modern Sonny Liston?

[StarshipTrooper]

I thought he was the modern Sonny Liston?

Peter is a bigger better version of Foreman :chuckle9:

[Scott9945]

You walked into my trap, actually. I agree that 88 Holmes would beat Sam Peter. You were trying to make some sort of lame excuse about inactivity and conditioning limiting Holmes' performance against Tyson. No, actually Mike Tyson is the one who limited Holmes' performance. 38>42.

Of course. Inactivity and conditioning have nothing to do with performance.

38>42 indicates that you let statistics dictate your views rather than observation.

[Cardinal Buck]

Of course. Inactivity and conditioning have nothing to do with performance.

38>42 indicates that you let statistics dictate your views rather than observation.

These are my points:
1. Holmes wasn't really that inactive
2. He wasn't really out of shape. (His weight was less than in his comeback and he was completely fit for a four round fight, which is what he got)
3. We do know he was 4 years younger than he was when he fought Mercer

A lot of it comes down taking Holmes' words at face value. He didn't like Tyson to begin with and he just got humiliated in the ring. He had a lot of explaining to do after the fight. He also said Tyson didn't hit hard, but I'm skeptical about that one too.

[StarshipTrooper]

He also said Tyson didn't hit hard, but I'm skeptical about that one too.

Holmes did NOT say Tyson didn't hit hard, he said Tyson didn't hit as hard as Earnie Shavers.....who just happens to be arguably the hardest hitter in Heavyweight history.

Poet

[Cardinal Buck]

nah, he definitely has downplayed Tyson's power probably out of personal dislike for him and what happened in their fight. He claimed Norton hit harder too.

[TysonBomb]

nah, he definitely has downplayed Tyson's power probably out of personal dislike for him and what happened in their fight. He claimed Norton hit harder too.

Holmes has always been a hater

Called Ali overrated, said Marciano couldn't hold his jockstrap, talked crap about Foreman, hated on Tyson

A genuinely bitter person

[Anthony342]

Some say Holmes' bitter attitude is what lost him the title in the first place, or at least, the rematch with Spinks. Anyone here agree with that? Probably due to his criticism of the judges.

[JAB5239]

Some say Holmes' bitter attitude is what lost him the title in the first place, or at least, the rematch with Spinks. Anyone here agree with that? Probably due to his criticism of the judges.

It is certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

[SBleeder]

These are my points:
1. Holmes wasn't really that inactive
2. He wasn't really out of shape. (His weight was less than in his comeback and he was completely fit for a four round fight, which is what he got)
3. We do know he was 4 years younger than he was when he fought Mercer

A lot of it comes down taking Holmes' words at face value. He didn't like Tyson to begin with and he just got humiliated in the ring. He had a lot of explaining to do after the fight. He also said Tyson didn't hit hard, but I'm skeptical about that one too.

And yet the claims that Tyson didn't train for the Douglas fight get accepted without hesitation by Tysontards.