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Originally posted by BoxingIsGreat View PostThe bold: That's exactly what I say about the Pacman's 8 division BS.
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Originally posted by pasawayako View PostThat's why floyd and other boxers think that what pac is doing is impossible. all boxing organization pick pac as the undisputed 2000-2009 FOTD because what he did that decade was impossible.
Manny has a asterisk over 95% of his WW fights, how do fight Oscar and Hatton at 147 and then demand 145 for Cotto in the same division.
How did he get to be bigger than Oscar on fight night, draining !
How do you duck Mosley begging for 144 and then after Floyd beats him and a draw say 147 is ok now.
How do you fight him for years and then have Marquez at 147 after saying how small you are.
How do you bring guys like Rios of a loss and Algeiri to WW when they have never been at WW.
How say Foremen was too big at 154 so you take a washed up WW at 150 for a 154 title.
There is soooooooo much BS thats going on with Manny and match making, if he was straight down the gun barrel like Mikey was against Spence Manny would not have got past Cotto and Oscar, dam Oscar at 154 would stop Manny .
Most every WW fight Manny has BS all over it.
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Originally posted by Roadblock View PostHe did it via CWs , you keep ignoring the special Manny weights.
Manny has a asterisk over 95% of his WW fights, how do fight Oscar and Hatton at 147 and then demand 145 for Cotto in the same division.
How did he get to be bigger than Oscar on fight night, draining !
How do you duck Mosley begging for 144 and then after Floyd beats him and a draw say 147 is ok now.
How do you fight him for years and then have Marquez at 147 after saying how small you are.
How do you bring guys like Rios of a loss and Algeiri to WW when they have never been at WW.
How say Foremen was too big at 154 so you take a washed up WW at 150 for a 154 title.
There is soooooooo much BS thats going on with Manny and match making, if he was straight down the gun barrel like Mikey was against Spence Manny would not have got past Cotto and Oscar, dam Oscar at 154 would stop Manny .
Most every WW fight Manny has BS all over it.
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Originally posted by Roadblock View PostHe did it via CWs , you keep ignoring the special Manny weights.
Manny has a asterisk over 95% of his WW fights, how do fight Oscar and Hatton at 147 and then demand 145 for Cotto in the same division.
How did he get to be bigger than Oscar on fight night, draining !
How do you duck Mosley begging for 144 and then after Floyd beats him and a draw say 147 is ok now.
How do you fight him for years and then have Marquez at 147 after saying how small you are.
How do you bring guys like Rios of a loss and Algeiri to WW when they have never been at WW.
How say Foremen was too big at 154 so you take a washed up WW at 150 for a 154 title.
There is soooooooo much BS thats going on with Manny and match making, if he was straight down the gun barrel like Mikey was against Spence Manny would not have got past Cotto and Oscar, dam Oscar at 154 would stop Manny .
Most every WW fight Manny has BS all over it.
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Originally posted by Roadblock View PostHe did it via CWs , you keep ignoring the special Manny weights.
Manny has a asterisk over 95% of his WW fights, how do fight Oscar and Hatton at 147 and then demand 145 for Cotto in the same division.
How did he get to be bigger than Oscar on fight night, draining !
How do you duck Mosley begging for 144 and then after Floyd beats him and a draw say 147 is ok now.
How do you fight him for years and then have Marquez at 147 after saying how small you are.
How do you bring guys like Rios of a loss and Algeiri to WW when they have never been at WW.
How say Foremen was too big at 154 so you take a washed up WW at 150 for a 154 title.
There is soooooooo much BS thats going on with Manny and match making, if he was straight down the gun barrel like Mikey was against Spence Manny would not have got past Cotto and Oscar, dam Oscar at 154 would stop Manny .
Most every WW fight Manny has BS all over it.
oscar was the a-side in that fight and set the weight. remember he was set to fight floyd at 147 and floyd pulled out.
manny just got knocked out cold. what did you expect?
some of your criticisms are valid but some are failing to look at the context and circumstances in those fights.
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Originally posted by daggum View Posthe fought hatton at 140. pac was champ at 140 and cotto at 147. i dont agree with the catchweight but that seems like the time to do it if you are going to do it. having 2 champs in the same division fighting in a unification fight and making it a catchweight is a different thing entirely which is what floyd did and what mann never did. lets not pretend its equal when its not.
oscar was the a-side in that fight and set the weight. remember he was set to fight floyd at 147 and floyd pulled out.
manny just got knocked out cold. what did you expect?
some of your criticisms are valid but some are failing to look at the context and circumstances in those fights.
Manny manipulated weight like no other fighter in history has done, he found a loop hole and got away with it in the fights that catapulted him , good on him, but dont deny what went down.
Ive followed boxing for a very long time and I know exactly where Manny is, from a top liner in the lowest weights he was man made in higher weights, he CWed the big names and or cherry picked them as well like Margarito, and now he avoids full blown WW which is why he fights so many guys from 140 or less , the last genuine WW Manny fought was Horn.
ATG but not what his fans try and put out there.
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Originally posted by Roadblock View PostYou can make all the excuses you like its doesnt take away the facts of every fight.
Manny manipulated weight like no other fighter in history has done, he found a loop hole and got away with it in the fights that catapulted him , good on him, but dont deny what went down.
Ive followed boxing for a very long time and I know exactly where Manny is, from a top liner in the lowest weights he was man made in higher weights, he CWed the big names and or cherry picked them as well like Margarito, and now he avoids full blown WW which is why he fights so many guys from 140 or less , the last genuine WW Manny fought was Horn.
ATG but not what his fans try and put out there.
yes there are fights to criticize or disagree with but not every single fight like you claim fits into that. he beat 4 top 5 ww's and only one at a catchweight, and that was when he was champ at 140. doesnt sound as bad when you have the "facts" fighting marquez at a catchweight was for marquez's benefit since he was the smaller man at the time. twisting things like that just makes you look bad
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Originally posted by daggum View Postbut you dont have the facts and you made that quite obvious when you said manny fought hatton at 147 and pac made oscar fight at 147 when oscar picked the weight. you need to follow it closer because it seems like you are just starting with your conclusion and working backwards and getting very sloppy.
yes there are fights to criticize or disagree with but not every single fight like you claim fits into that. he beat 4 top 5 ww's and only one at a catchweight, and that was when he was champ at 140. doesnt sound as bad when you have the "facts" fighting marquez at a catchweight was for marquez's benefit since he was the smaller man at the time. twisting things like that just makes you look bad
The Marquez weight was Roach saying we will make him sluggish thats why they wanted 147 and didnt that back fire lol.
Hatton was a typo but was shot anyway and a coke addict with a new trainer .
Every fight Manny has got some BS going on , they are you facts go look at every fight.
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