Comments Thread For: Why Atlas Leaving Golovkin Off His P4P List is Deeply Flawed

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By Andreas Hale - Teddy Atlas will always be known as a respected voice in the sport of boxing. However, his recent ESPN column explaining why he left Gennady Golovkin off of his personal pound for pound list is a bit of a head-scratcher. Granted, these lists are wholly subjective and can be entirely nonsensical but it is about as close as we can come to ranking the best fighters regardless of division.
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[Yacontya]

thats very baffling...i only see crawford and gonzalez maybe pacman but the rest have much to do before being considered for any form of top 10 list ESPECIALLY WARD! wheres chocalito?

[Robbie Barrett]

The writer decides to write an article deriding Atlas's list. Then questions Pacquiao's place in the top 10? Pacquiao's wins over Bradley and Vargas last year were better than most fighters opposition on the list. Certainly better than Wade and Brook at 160.

[R-C]

Who cares? Waste of time to write about someone's opinion. Yawn.

[boxingitis]

thats very baffling...i only see crawford and gonzalez maybe pacman but the rest have much to do before being considered for any form of top 10 list ESPECIALLY WARD! wheres chocalito?

Chocolatito is at number 6. Roman Gonzalez, u must not know boxing.

[Rock&Roll]

Golovkin has no defense, he is right there to be hit. He also has no head movement and is a stationary object in front of you.

Talk to all the guys who have put him on the canvas, they'll say the same thing.

He certainly doesn' t have any subtle defensive skills that aren't as obvious to the untrained eye. The only person who had any defense is pernell whittiker. Everyone else, whose defense isn't as obvious as Pernell's, doesn't have any. Its simple.

[Robbie Barrett]

Golovkin has no defense, he is right there to be hit. He also has no head movement and is a stationary object in front of you.

Talk to all the guys who have put him on the canvas, they'll say the same thing.

He certainly doesn' t have any subtle defensive skills that aren't as obvious to the untrained eye. The only person who had any defense is pernell whittiker. Everyone else, whose defense isn't as obvious as Pernell's, doesn't have any. Its simple.

Golovkin lets fighters hit him on purpose don't you know?

[LoadedWraps]

By Andreas Hale - Teddy Atlas will always be known as a respected voice in the sport of boxing. However, his recent ESPN column explaining why he left Gennady Golovkin off of his personal pound for pound list is a bit of a head-scratcher. Granted, these lists are wholly subjective and can be entirely nonsensical but it is about as close as we can come to ranking the best fighters regardless of division.
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Atlas' list

1. Vasyl Lomachenko
2. Terence Crawford
3. Andre Ward
4. Keith Thurman
5. Sergey Kovalev
6. Roman Gonzalez
7. Guillermo Rigondeaux
8. Canelo Alvarez
9. Manny Pacquiao
10. Errol Spence Jr.

Lomachenko a bit too high, same with Crawford. Ward and Thurman too high, Kovalev too low. Gonzalez too low. Rigo about right, woulnd't complain if he was higher. Spence and Canelo aren't top 10 p4p fighters.

Fury, and Golovkin are missing, and so is Bradley. Pacqiao is also too high.

[Rock&Roll]

Golovkin lets fighters hit him on purpose don't you know?

Shhhhhhh Kigali... i mean Isaac, you're letting everyone know how little you understand about boxing.

Go back and watch monroe fight rd 1 golovkin defense (doesn't get hit) and his head movement.
Then watch when monroe tees off on him. He drops his hands and stands there, takes his punches, nods in approval at monroes lack of power, then gestures to keep them coming. Why did Monroe stop throwing? Golovkin was asking him to continue.

In the wade fight all i can remember is that wade was overmatched so much it was almost a joke. Not happy about that fight because the huge gap in talent and skill.
Once again, Golovkin had good high gaurd and head movement, then he stops, lowers his hands as wade comes into attack. Even blind freddy can see this but you can't?

I'm not looking for a back and forth with you. If you honestly can't see what i'm talking about after re-watching the vids, i know how little you know.

[TheCell8]

Andreas Hale, once again, spits nothing but truth.

All you have to do is look at Teddy's own criteria. If you apply it to the other fighters on the list, you'll be scratching your head trying to figure out how some of those guys were ranked above Golovkin. It seems like he made up the criteria just for Golovkin and he's not even able to apply it properly.

Also with regards to 'slippage'. How a fighter whose never been knocked down or lost a professional fight is slipping is laughable. When Golovkin loses a fight or gets knocked down, then we can discuss slippage.