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  • Seattle gun tax failure? Firearm sales plummet, violence spikes after law passes

    When the City of Seattle passed a tax on all sales of guns and ammunition, the measure was hailed as a way to defray the rising costs of gun violence.

    But since the tax took effect, those costs have only risen as gun violence in the city has surged. And the tax has apparently brought in much less than city leaders projected it would.

    “How much data do you need?” asked Dave Workman, senior editor of TheGunMag.com and member of the Second Amendment Foundation. “The data says the law has failed to prevent what they promised it would prevent.”

    Seattle City Councilman Tim Burgess introduced the tax in 2015. It puts a $25 tax on every firearm sold in the city and up to 5 cents per round of ammunition. The measure easily passed and took effect January 1, 2016. Comparing the first five months of 2017 with the same period before the gun tax went into effect, reports of shots fired are up 13 percent, the number of people injured in shootings climbed 37 percent and gun deaths doubled, according to crime statistics from the Seattle Police Department.

    Councilman Burgess never returned calls and emails for comment. Dana Robinson Slote, director of communication for Seattle City Council, said she was “politely declining your invitation for an interview.”

    In selling his gun tax to the public, Burgess predicted it would generate between $300,000 and $500,000 annually. The money would be used to study the root causes of gun violence in hopes of reducing the costs to taxpayers.

    Seattle officials refuse to say how much the tax brought in the first year, only giving the number “under $200,000.” Gun rights groups have sued to get the exact amount.


    But Mike Coombs, owner of Outdoor Emporium, the last large gun dealer left in Seattle, said the actual tax revenue is almost certainly just over $100,000, a figure based on information he says the city shared with his lawyers.

    Coombs said storewide, sales are down 20 percent while gun sales have plummeted 60 percent.

    “I’ve had to lay off employees because of this,” Coombs said. “It’s hurting us, it’s hurting our employees.”

    Employees at the Big 5 sporting goods stores in Seattle also report anemic gun sales. But there’s evidence Seattleites are just going outside the city to buy their guns. Coombs also owns a gun shop in the nearby city of Fife. Sales there are described as robust.

    Another gun dealer simply left Seattle and moved his shop, Precise Shooter, to nearby Lynnwood. Sergey Solyanik said business has never been better. He said the gun tax has probably worked out to be a net negative for Seattle when factoring lost sales tax revenue.

    Source, full story:
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...aw-passes.html

    Gotta love liberals. They were wrong on TWO predictions in this one case. Gun violence went up, and the tax revenue was lower than they expected. It was two-fer of failure!

  • #2
    Originally posted by 1bad65 View Post
    When the City of Seattle passed a tax on all sales of guns and ammunition, the measure was hailed as a way to defray the rising costs of gun violence.

    But since the tax took effect, those costs have only risen as gun violence in the city has surged. And the tax has apparently brought in much less than city leaders projected it would.

    “How much data do you need?” asked Dave Workman, senior editor of TheGunMag.com and member of the Second Amendment Foundation. “The data says the law has failed to prevent what they promised it would prevent.”

    Seattle City Councilman Tim Burgess introduced the tax in 2015. It puts a $25 tax on every firearm sold in the city and up to 5 cents per round of ammunition. The measure easily passed and took effect January 1, 2016. Comparing the first five months of 2017 with the same period before the gun tax went into effect, reports of shots fired are up 13 percent, the number of people injured in shootings climbed 37 percent and gun deaths doubled, according to crime statistics from the Seattle Police Department.

    Councilman Burgess never returned calls and emails for comment. Dana Robinson Slote, director of communication for Seattle City Council, said she was “politely declining your invitation for an interview.”

    In selling his gun tax to the public, Burgess predicted it would generate between $300,000 and $500,000 annually. The money would be used to study the root causes of gun violence in hopes of reducing the costs to taxpayers.

    Seattle officials refuse to say how much the tax brought in the first year, only giving the number “under $200,000.” Gun rights groups have sued to get the exact amount.


    But Mike Coombs, owner of Outdoor Emporium, the last large gun dealer left in Seattle, said the actual tax revenue is almost certainly just over $100,000, a figure based on information he says the city shared with his lawyers.

    Coombs said storewide, sales are down 20 percent while gun sales have plummeted 60 percent.

    “I’ve had to lay off employees because of this,” Coombs said. “It’s hurting us, it’s hurting our employees.”

    Employees at the Big 5 sporting goods stores in Seattle also report anemic gun sales. But there’s evidence Seattleites are just going outside the city to buy their guns. Coombs also owns a gun shop in the nearby city of Fife. Sales there are described as robust.

    Another gun dealer simply left Seattle and moved his shop, Precise Shooter, to nearby Lynnwood. Sergey Solyanik said business has never been better. He said the gun tax has probably worked out to be a net negative for Seattle when factoring lost sales tax revenue.

    Source, full story:
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...aw-passes.html

    Gotta love liberals. They were wrong on TWO predictions in this one case. Gun violence went up, and the tax revenue was lower than they expected. It was two-fer of failure!
    Eh, trial and error... u can't really have guns laws when ur neighbors don't follow them... try telling ur teenage child she can't have a phone when all her friends have one... she's going to get a job and get her own... and if u take it away from her she's going to rebel and rebel and rebel until she moves out and says f.uck you...

    Kind of like gun advocates... crying cuz big brother is taking they toys away...

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    • #3
      The power to tax is the power to destroy.

      I don't believe in targeted taxing.

      Whether it be guns, cigarettes, individuals.

      All products should have a flat sales tax.

      All persons should have a flat income tax.

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      • #4
        You win some, you lose some. On the one hand they missed with this gun tax, and on the other hand they have had continuing decline in unemployment even after spiking their minimum wage to $15/hr.
        Last edited by BrometheusBob.; 06-15-2017, 01:49 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BrometheusBob. View Post
          .... on the other hand they have had continuing decline in unemployment even after spiking their minimum wage to $15/hr.
          But so has the nation as a whole.

          So you'd need more data to draw any conclusion on that.

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          • #6
            "The revenue was going to be used to study the root causes of gun violence"--more liberal stupidity.

            The same logic they used with soda taxes in NYC and Philly, another nanny-state measure that failed to deliver any results beyond raising revenue for special interest agendas.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 1bad65 View Post
              But so has the nation as a whole.

              So you'd need more data to draw any conclusion on that.
              True, it's possible that their unemployment rate could have declined even more w/o raising their minimum wage or that the minimum wage had no real effect due to other factors. But it's at least possible to conclude that raising the minimum wage (even by a substantial amount, as they've done) does not guarantee an increase in the unemployment rate.

              Also a more complete analysis would involve looking into which jobs are being added and which ones are being removed from the economy. It could be the case that those seeking jobs closer to the minimum wage level are having a harder time, even if the job market overall is improving.

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              • #8
                Here's an idea. And believe me, this never goes wrong. It always works, proven time and again.

                NO. NEW. TAXES.

                Whenever your local representative suggests a new tax, just say no. No matter the phony cause or the excuse, just say no. By saying no you are saying yes to freedom. More taxes mean less freedom for honest people. It won't hurt criminals, but it hurts honest working class people, just like the employees who lost their jobs over this.

                NO.

                NEW.

                TAXES.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BrometheusBob. View Post
                  You win some, you lose some. On the one hand they missed with this gun tax, and on the other hand they have had continuing decline in unemployment even after spiking their minimum wage to $15/hr.
                  Generally speaking minimum wage laws cause unemployment. This is'nt even debateable. The problem when you see figures on unemployment is that it is including everyone in that figure. Minimum wage laws hurt the young, elderly and low income workers disproportionately, ironic considering who people claim it is suppose to help. Find some figures that actually break it down and the results will almost certainly be astonishing.

                  This is what happened in Australia a few years ago when they instituted the cost of living wage. Unemployment numbers looked good until you looked at the young, elderly and low income workers and their unemployment numbers had increaed significantly.

                  What is funny/sad is that even when people are asked about minimum wage laws in surveys, and knowing they destroy jobs is part of the question, people still support them.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
                    All products should have a flat sales tax.

                    All persons should have a flat income tax.
                    One, or the other. Not both.

                    Frankly, consumption tax simply makes better sense because you can't duck it.

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