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Old 12-10-2013, 09:49 AM #11
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good pr for paks.

they need to get rid of the stench of muslim extremism.

the paks have always been western allies til this al qaeda crap.

ppl forget that india was sucking soviet commie **** during cold war.
People are historically myopic.

Pakistan and the US have been treaty allies since the Eisenhower Administration.
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Old 12-10-2013, 11:17 AM #12
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Obama need to stop bombing Pakistan, we are allies.
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Yes. Despite me visiting Pk every 18 months or so, you know it better then I do.

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lol what has visiting a country got to do with it? I'm about to prove you wrong now.

Non-Muslims cannot become the PM in Pakistan. Nor can they become a judge.

"A person shall not be qualified for election as President unless he is a Muslim of not less than forty-five years of age and is qualified to be elected as member of the National Assembly."

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"The Court shall consist of not more than eight Muslim 466[Judges] 466, including the 467[Chief Justice] 467, to be appointed by the President 468[in accordance with Article 175A] 468."

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Even the 'Minority Minister' has to be a Muslim.

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A Christian woman who was accused of 'insulting Islam' is locked up & sentenced to death:

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The one minister who was Christian was shot dead in 2011:

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His crime? For opposing Pakistan's 'blasphemy law'.

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Eight Christians have been killed in religious unrest in Pakistan's central Punjab, after days of tension sparked by the rumoured desecration of a Koran.

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Pakistan church bomb: Christians mourn 85 killed in Peshawar suicide attack

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Let us dare to speak for persecuted Christians

On October 10 the European Parliament passed three separate resolutions, one of them condemning violence and persecution against Christians in Syria, Pakistan and Iran. MEPs expressed concern for Christians in Syria, condemning the attacks on the historically Christian town of Maaloula by militants, and on All Saints' church in Pakistan, where the Bishop of Peshawar, the Right Reverend Humphrey Peter, put the number of Christians killed at 113.

The blasphemy laws currently carry a mandatory death penalty and are being used as an excuse to attack Christian churches, burn their settlements, imprison and even kill them.

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'Pakistani Minorities to Face More Persecution After 2014’, Says Well-known Journalist

Sheraz Khan, a Pakistan-born journalist, fears that the religious and ethnic minorities of Pakistan including the Christians of the country will face more persecution after the 2014 drawdown of North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) and US forces from Afghanistan in 2014.

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Mob burns scores of Christian homes in Lahore

LAHORE: A highly-charged mob of thousands burnt more than 40 Christian houses in Badami Bagh area of Lahore on Saturday to “take revenge of the blasphemy” allegedly committed by a Christian two days earlier.

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The State of Christian Persecution in Pakistan
  • The abduction, forced marriage, and conversion of Christian girls by Muslims has become a disturbing trend in Pakistan; in fact, it is estimated that as many as 700 girls are abused in this manner each year. In most of these cases, the authorities rarely take action and the girls are never returned to their families. If the girls are raped and become pregnant, it is nearly impossible for the courts to release them from their captors.
  • If a girl does manage to leave her Muslim family and attempts to return to Christianity, she is considered an apostate and is liable to be killed, despite the fact that she was forcibly converted.
  • According to Jonathan Racho with International Christian Concern, “Rape has been used as a weapon of persecution against Christian girls in Pakistan, where Christians are treated as third-class citizens. In the Muslim majority country, Christian girls are particularly vulnerable to these types of crimes because Muslim authorities are reluctant to protect them when their rights are being violated by Muslims.”
  • Nazir Bhatti, president of the Pakistan Christian Congress, has stated that over 99.9 percent of rape cases involving Christian women go unreported.

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Pakistani Mob Burns Man to Death for Destroying Koran

Karachi, Pakistan – A mob stormed a police station in Pakistan and burned a man to death for destroying a copy of the Koran, reports state.

The incident happened on Saturday, after a man, who is only being identified as a traveler, spent the night at a local mosque.

When the remains of a charred Koran were found inside of the mosque, the man was beaten and then handed over to authorities to be charged with blasphemy.

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Pakistan: Christians still waiting for justice 4 years after Gojra attack

Four years after the horrific murder of eight Christians in Gojra, Pakistan, the community is still waiting for justice to be done.

The victims, who included children, were burnt alive when a mob of extremist Muslims went on the rampage in the Christian town on 1 August 2009.

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Christian couple charged with blasphemy in Gojra

A Christian couple in Gojra has been charged under the blasphemy law for allegedly sending blasphemous text messages to a local Muslim, Pakistan Today has learnt.

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Hate Engulfs Christians in Pakistan

GOJRA, Pakistan — The blistered black walls of the Hameed family’s bedroom tell of an unspeakable crime. Seven family members died here on Saturday, six of them burned to death by a mob that had broken into their house and shot the grandfather dead, just because they were Christian.

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Christian boy tortured and killed in Pakistan

Detectives in Faisalabad, around 60 miles from Lahore, said they were investigating whether accusations of blasphemy had also been made against the boy.

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Killing of Missionary Couple in Pakistan Leaves Tears and Questions Stateside

At a time when being American and Christian in the Muslim world is a proposition fraught with danger, the Rev. Arif and Kathleen Khan, missionaries from Pequannock, N.J., thought that heeding the Lord’s call far outweighed the perils they faced.

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Persecution of Christians not a new phenomenon

LAHORE: Following the recent arrest of the prayer leader of Islamabad’s Ameenia Mosque on charges of fabricating the evidence that he had used to accuse a 14-year old Christian girl, Rimsha Masih, of blasphemy, the ever-deteriorating situation for religious minorities due to growing religious intolerance in the country stands underscored for the West at least.

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Mob torches 3 churches near Nankana

A mob of 3,000 people, mostly youth, set to fire three churches and homes of two clergymen as well as destroyed a nursing hostel, nuns’ hostel, a convent school and four other houses in Sangla Hill area of district Nankana on Saturday.

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3 girls died in attack on Christian church in Pakistan

Mourners buried three girls killed in a Christmas grenade attack on a tiny church in eastern Pakistan, and police detained an Islamic cleric who allegedly called on followers to kill Christians days before the bombing.

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Gunmen 'execute' Pakistan Christians

Unidentified gunmen have shot dead seven people at a Christian charity in Karachi's central business district, Pakistani police say.

They entered the third-floor offices of the Institute for Peace and Justice (IPJ) and shot their victims in the head.

One other person is in a critical condition.

All those killed were Pakistani Christians.

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Five killed as grenades are thrown into church

AN American schoolgirl and her mother were among five people killed yesterday when a suspected Islamic militant carried out a suicide attack on a crowded church in the diplomatic district of the Pakistani capital, Islamabad.

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Christians demand separate province in Pakistan to protect them from persecution

Pakistan's embattled Christian minority have launched a campaign for a separate province to protect them from persecution after a wave of brutal attacks and arrests for blasphemy.

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... "by and large they live unharassed and are free to practise their faiths".
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Old 12-10-2013, 03:36 PM #14
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You havent proved anything. It is the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. I said the people are by and large free to practise their faith.

Tell me, in practise, can a Muslim become President of the USA? No. The people wont go for it. The British Monarch has to be CoE, does that mean non CoE folks arent free to worship as we choose?

Idiot. Too much Fox News for you.
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Also a few cases against a pop of x million.
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Anyone can post references to this or that Muslim attacked here. Or even organized slaughter of non-Hindus in India - see Gujrat riots 2000, but that isnt the norm. Go back to school you twat.
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does he even realise how many attacks are out in or on mosques as well? Those idiots don't just target churches they target anyone. In fact more mosques are probably attacked in Pakistan then churches etc.

Then again not that he'd care about that.
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It is the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. I said the people are by and large free to practise their faith.
... yeah, apart from the odd grenade attack, thousands of angry thugs burning down churches, and suicide bombings, with the perpetrators of these attacks virtually always being let off the hook... perfectly free to practice their faith.
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Tell me, in practise, can a Muslim become President of the USA? No. The people wont go for it.
There is nothing in the US constitution that says only a Christian can be President, so you fail (again).

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The British Monarch has to be CoE, does that mean non CoE folks arent free to worship as we choose?
LOL when was the last mob attack Muslims had to suffer from in the UK, hmmmm? Muslims continue to migrate to the UK (and the US). If there was some widespread discrimination of them here, then they wouldn't continue to move to the UK. Meanwhile, in Pakistan, Christians live in fear & are now demanding their own province, to lessen the likelihood of attacks. Come on son... you ain't serious. LOL

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Idiot. Too much Fox News for you.
LMAO can you goons ever come up with anything other than 'hur hur, you watch too much Fox News, hurr hurr'? Kid, I'm British, so it's highly unlikely I watch Fox News, but I haven't watched live TV on a regular basis for nearly 10 years now. And thanks for the neg karma, telling me to "suck a dick" (please keep your homo-erotic fantasies to yourself, thanks). Your butthurt is plain to see.

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Also a few cases against a pop of x million.
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Anyone can post references to this or that Muslim attacked here. Or even organized slaughter of non-Hindus in India - see Gujrat riots 2000, but that isnt the norm. Go back to school you twat.
LMAO kid, if the examples I gave were the other way around... 'Christian extremists throw grenades into Mosque, killing 3 girls'... 'Christian suicide bomber blows himself up outside mosque, killing over 80'... '3,000-strong Christian mob attack Muslims, burn down mosques' etc etc, and this was happening in a European country, you'd be using that as an example of how Muslims are persecuted in Europe. But when it's Muslims responsible for it... you play it down. You're so transparent.

The cases I gave are the most horrific of persecution (mob attacks, slaughters, suicide bombings etc etc), but you can only play it down & laugh. And the examples I gave are only from Pakistan. Would you like me to give you some more from the rest of the Muslim world? I don't think you want me to go there...

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does he even realise how many attacks are out in or on mosques as well? Those idiots don't just target churches they target anyone. In fact more mosques are probably attacked in Pakistan then churches etc.

Then again not that he'd care about that.
Muslims have been attacking their fellow Muslims since the founding of Islam.

And what exactly is your point? Because Muslims are also attacked by extremists, that somehow makes the persecution of non-Muslims (mainly Christians) in Pakistan not so bad?
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And what exactly is your point? Because Muslims are also attacked by extremists, that somehow makes the persecution of non-Muslims (mainly Christians) in Pakistan not so bad?
You make it sound like nazi Germany, your post was one sided and bias. My point is Pakistan has a slight problem with extremism at the moment. That extremism is not just pointed towards other religions.

You've never been to the country to judge, and do you seriously believe Muslims aren't the subject of racial attacks in the UK? A simple google search (as your post) and I could post a number of articles, also.
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You make it sound like nazi Germany
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your post was one sided and bias.
Well of course you'd say that.

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My point is Pakistan has a slight problem with extremism at the moment. That extremism is not just pointed towards other religions.
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You've never been to the country to judge
Do I need to venture into a sewer to know that it stinks?

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and do you seriously believe Muslims aren't the subject of racial attacks in the UK?
???

Muslims are not a race. How can a religious group suffer from "racial attacks"?

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A simple google search (as your post) and I could post a number of articles, also.
A simple google search and I can give you a load of examples of Muslims attacking non-Muslims in the UK & rest of Europe (and other non-Muslim countries).
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