Boxing Forum
Navigation
Go Back   Boxing Forum > Boxing Forums > Boxing History

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 08-12-2018, 06:05 PM #21
jaded jaded is online now
The People's Champion
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 9,629
Quoted: 2810 Post(s)
Rep Power: 75
jaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 100,001,000,404,080,640.00
Bank: 187,976,055,922,638,352,023,552.00
Total Points: 187,976,155,923,638,751,592,448.00
Thanks for the warning - MeiXiang loving the sig - Alx. gift - Daniel Alpha Happy new year bro! - led* funny poster in the lounge - jas 
atg poster - jas I <3 you! - led No Message - jas thanks bro I didn't even notice - -jose- you got skills - Santa_ 
Trump! - Ruthless One :beerchug: - -jose- hilarious - jas Keep up the good work! - 1bad65 Holidays - TBear 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - codey Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - Daniel Alpha AIDS/HIV - DARE - DUI Awareness - Epidermolysis Bullosa - Heart Disease - Lymphoma - MADD - Substance Abuse - jas Hodgkin's Disease - Testicular Cancer - jas Children with Disabilities - Parkinson's Disease - VACTERL - Young Onset Parkinson's Association - jas 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony342 View Post
Good point, but what about the undercover cop they interviewed in the documentary or was it an FBI agent who talked to Resto and recorded his conversations with him? At one point Resto mentioned out of nowhere, of his own volition, that he saw Panama Lewis go into the men's room with one of the other corner men with his boxing gloves and then emerge from the bathroom with the gloves to put them on him. It was so many years later, it took him a while to remember it, but it was on record. So I'd agree with you guys if this had never come up, but I feel even if he didn't feel any remorse, which I feel Resto did, he did his time in prison and paid his pennance. He should at least be allowed to work as a trainer because you know he wouldn't pull any shady ****e like Lewis would. The guy was living a pathetic life at the start of the doc that only got slightly better by the end. You could tell Resto wasn't in on the plan from the beginning. Just like Pryor didn't know about the bottle. Lewis seemed to do all this stuff on his own, thinking if his fighters got caught, they couldn't say anything because if they didn't know, they didn't have to lie for their trainer.
But he (Resto) knew...he was also aware that his wraps were being loaded before his eyes and were cast-like. You can tell when the padding is gone from a glove right away. I remember once putting on a pair of my friends gloves that had been been badly flattened from hitting the heavy bag with for a long time. You can feel it immediately.

He was aware of everything and went along with it even thought it may have not been his plan or doing. The commissioner who has repeatedly denied both Resto's and Pananama's applications said something to the effect..."If a guy who worked at a children's facility and abused children serves time for his actions...are you going to rehire him after?"

Although you can argue that Antonio Margarito has been given a license to box...I'm not sure that was a right thing to do.
jaded is online now   Reply With Quote
Advertisements
>>>TO REMOVE THESE ADS, PLEASE REGISTER HERE FOR FREE<<<
Old 08-12-2018, 06:10 PM #22
jaded jaded is online now
The People's Champion
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 9,629
Quoted: 2810 Post(s)
Rep Power: 75
jaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond reputejaded has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 100,001,000,404,080,640.00
Bank: 187,976,055,922,638,352,023,552.00
Total Points: 187,976,155,923,638,751,592,448.00
Thanks for the warning - MeiXiang loving the sig - Alx. gift - Daniel Alpha Happy new year bro! - led* funny poster in the lounge - jas 
atg poster - jas I &lt;3 you! - led No Message - jas thanks bro I didn't even notice - -jose- you got skills - Santa_ 
Trump! - Ruthless One :beerchug: - -jose- hilarious - jas Keep up the good work! - 1bad65 Holidays - TBear 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - codey Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - Daniel Alpha AIDS/HIV - DARE - DUI Awareness - Epidermolysis Bullosa - Heart Disease - Lymphoma - MADD - Substance Abuse - jas Hodgkin's Disease - Testicular Cancer - jas Children with Disabilities - Parkinson's Disease - VACTERL - Young Onset Parkinson's Association - jas 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dempsey-Louis View Post
The documentary (for what it's worth) argued an ugly side to Billy Collins Sr. claiming that Collins Jr.'s damage was all soft tissue and that the TV network wanted to make good with another televised fight in six months, as a preliminary to a championship fight, but that Collins Sr. became convinced he could score better with a law suit (which necessitated that Billy Jr.'s career 'be over.') He brought several suits all of which failed.

IMO The damage looked terrible but it was all soft tissue damage; none of Resto's endless pitty-pat punches caused any concussion. There was nothing about that beating that was career ending, Collins could have fought again in six months.
That's true...his father was after $65 million. Maybe he would have fought again (Jr) at some point if he had not died...I think so personally. But that still has no bearing on on the wrong that was done. It was a crime...an ugly one at that.

And those were not pity pats...he was throwing hard. Both Jr's eyes were closed at after the fight.

Image View Removed. Please Click Here.

Last edited by jaded; 08-12-2018 at 06:17 PM.
jaded is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2018, 07:04 PM #23
Rockin' Rockin' is online now
SRR by Triangle Theory
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 15,994
Quoted: 1302 Post(s)
Rep Power: 19469
Rockin' has a reputation beyond reputeRockin' has a reputation beyond reputeRockin' has a reputation beyond reputeRockin' has a reputation beyond reputeRockin' has a reputation beyond reputeRockin' has a reputation beyond reputeRockin' has a reputation beyond reputeRockin' has a reputation beyond reputeRockin' has a reputation beyond reputeRockin' has a reputation beyond reputeRockin' has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 274,680.88
Bank: 46,843,902,749,045,071,872.00
Total Points: 46,843,902,749,045,350,400.00
10k. Keep postin'. - BattlingNelson Happy 10k darling! :kiss: - *Boss Lady* 10k posts - ??? Happy birthday Rockin' - dan_cov happy birthday - TBear 
You are one of the best posters here. - I'm so sorry Great post on crime statistics. It's truly a disturbing trend. - thuggery for keepin it real in the training lounge , your the man rockin. - HUGH JASS For beating the stuffing out of master chef - lparm how do u give someone a good rep? cant figure it out - bigpauly 
To a fighting Man - Weltz One of the great posters - jas Merry Cristmas Rockin' - TBear :) - Salim_Shady Thank you for bumping the Rockin' story thread, I would have otherwise never seen it and I really enjoyed reading it. - Tyler_Durden 
Icon says it all - jazluvr Happy hoidays - jazluvr Thanks for the green! - GhostofDempsey Cheers! - Shontae De'marc Thanks! - GhostofDempsey 
Bone Marrow Donation - Childhood Depression - Depression - Environment - Eye Injury Prevention - Glaucoma - Kidney Cancer - Kidney Disease - Kidney Transplantation - Leukemia - Lyme Disease - Mental Retardation - Missing Children - Organ Donation - T - mangler World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - jazluvr Anti-Tobacco - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Talisayen AIDS/HIV - DARE - DUI Awareness - Epidermolysis Bullosa - Heart Disease - Lymphoma - MADD - Substance Abuse - ??? Anti-Tobacco - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - TBear 
Troop and Military Support - Amber Alert - Bladder Cancer - Endometriosis - Equality - Liver Cancer - Liver Disease - Missing Children - POW/MIA - Spina Bifida - Suicide - TBear World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - TBear Children with Disabilities - Parkinson's Disease - VACTERL - Young Onset Parkinson's Association - TBear Adoptee - Bone Cancer - Child Exploitation and Abuse - Hope and Support - Peace - Retinoblastoma - Right to Life - Student Sexual Assault - TBear World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - TBear 
World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - jose830 Childhood Cancer - bigpauly World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - -jose- World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - -jose- Troop and Military Support - Amber Alert - Bladder Cancer - Endometriosis - Equality - Liver Cancer - Liver Disease - Missing Children - POW/MIA - Spina Bifida - Suicide - -jose- 
Default

Depression and boxing go hand in hand. But ****, to suffer that kind of beating is just unthinkable. Billy finished the rounds that he signed up for (incredibly), got paid and then fell in to a seriously deep depression. It's serious **** with out even taking the beating that Collins did.....Rockin'boxing:
Rockin' is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2018, 08:21 PM #24
Dempsey-Louis Dempsey-Louis is offline
Interim Champion
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Southwest Florida
Posts: 558
Quoted: 333 Post(s)
Rep Power: 3
Dempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond reputeDempsey-Louis has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,000,000,000,033,135.38
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 1,000,000,000,033,135.38
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jaded View Post
That's true...his father was after $65 million. Maybe he would have fought again (Jr) at some point if he had not died...I think so personally. But that still has no bearing on on the wrong that was done. It was a crime...an ugly one at that.

And those were not pity pats...he was throwing hard. Both Jr's eyes were closed at after the fight.

Image View Removed. Please Click Here.
You're right 'pitty-pat' is the wrong term. I was trying to convey that the punches weren't banging on Collins head and doing the long term type of damage we all know too well. Certainly Resto's 'relentless' punching was doing great damage to Collins eyes.

It makes me wonder if Resto was deliberately throwing short arm punches to the face (and not power shots; hooks and over-hand rights to the head) because he knew his hands were exposed, or if it was just a matter of style. I find it impossible to believe Resto didn't know what was up.

The ugly question no one wants to ask is did Billy Collins' performance make Sr. lose faith in Jr.'s ability to win a title?

But I also feel the documentary likely distorted Sr.'s role in events because it was obvious they were making Resto's story into some kind of Greek mythological tragedy. Sending Resto to knock, uninvited, on the Collins' family's front door was beyond callous, it was amoral. It makes me want to question their entire story.
Dempsey-Louis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2018, 08:34 AM #25
BKM- BKM- is offline
06-15
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 7,264
Quoted: 1594 Post(s)
Rep Power: 37
BKM- has a reputation beyond reputeBKM- has a reputation beyond reputeBKM- has a reputation beyond reputeBKM- has a reputation beyond reputeBKM- has a reputation beyond reputeBKM- has a reputation beyond reputeBKM- has a reputation beyond reputeBKM- has a reputation beyond reputeBKM- has a reputation beyond reputeBKM- has a reputation beyond reputeBKM- has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,011,389,220.13
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 1,011,389,220.13
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year - Freedom. Happy New Year Bro, All the bet for 2016 - Rocky... Happy 10 years - HughJass Elite Counter-Insurgent - //// No Message - King Krusher 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dempsey-Louis View Post
It makes me wonder if Resto was deliberately throwing short arm punches to the face (and not power shots; hooks and over-hand rights to the head) because he knew his hands were exposed, or if it was just a matter of style. I find it impossible to believe Resto didn't know what was up.
You bring up an interesting point I've wondered about before. Did Resto hold back in any way so as to not damage Billy as much he knew he could?

I've only seen Resto in that fight so I don't know his style that well, but I know he had a KO% of 26 and Billy was a superior fighter. So he probably didn't hold back even with his weapons that night. Psycho.

Quote:
Sending Resto to knock, uninvited, on the Collins' family's front door was beyond callous, it was amoral. It makes me want to question their entire story.
Yeah that was typical inappropriate Hollywood BS.
BKM- is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2018, 12:46 PM #26
Anthony342 Anthony342 is offline
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 6,451
Quoted: 1502 Post(s)
Rep Power: 22
Anthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 100,000,120,115,292,816.00
Bank: 707,963,408,571.58
Total Points: 100,000,828,078,701,376.00
Good Poster with an open mind. - Barnburner Merry Christmas Anthony! keep on postin - The Surgeon For always keeping your cool and objectivity - BKM-2010 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jaded View Post
But he (Resto) knew...he was also aware that his wraps were being loaded before his eyes and were cast-like. You can tell when the padding is gone from a glove right away. I remember once putting on a pair of my friends gloves that had been been badly flattened from hitting the heavy bag with for a long time. You can feel it immediately.

He was aware of everything and went along with it even thought it may have not been his plan or doing. The commissioner who has repeatedly denied both Resto's and Pananama's applications said something to the effect..."If a guy who worked at a children's facility and abused children serves time for his actions...are you going to rehire him after?"

Although you can argue that Antonio Margarito has been given a license to box...I'm not sure that was a right thing to do.
If he is reformed and shows remorse, then yes, I give him another chance. Someone like Panama Lewis who has no morals I don't let anywhere near a boxing ring in an arena.
Anthony342 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2018, 05:28 PM #27
Ben Bolt Ben Bolt is online now
Interim Champion
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 667
Quoted: 137 Post(s)
Rep Power: 10
Ben Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 5,101,538.02
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 5,101,538.02
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockin' View Post
Depression and boxing go hand in hand.
Blows to the head affect the brain in different ways, depression is not uncommon.

Resto paid a high price for his life choices. To be a pro boxer, what all that entails, and falling for the temptation to take a shortcut and become a cheater.
His reward was poverty. Like so many fighters, that never cheated.

Panama Al seems to be a survivor and moves on, no matter what.
In this life. But if there is a God in next, I doubt Al will last long.
Ben Bolt is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2018, 02:39 AM #28
Anthony342 Anthony342 is offline
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 6,451
Quoted: 1502 Post(s)
Rep Power: 22
Anthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony342 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 100,000,120,115,292,816.00
Bank: 707,963,408,571.58
Total Points: 100,000,828,078,701,376.00
Good Poster with an open mind. - Barnburner Merry Christmas Anthony! keep on postin - The Surgeon For always keeping your cool and objectivity - BKM-2010 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Bolt View Post
Blows to the head affect the brain in different ways, depression is not uncommon.

Resto paid a high price for his life choices. To be a pro boxer, what all that entails, and falling for the temptation to take a shortcut and become a cheater.
His reward was poverty. Like so many fighters, that never cheated.

Panama Al seems to be a survivor and moves on, no matter what.
In this life. But if there is a God in next, I doubt Al will last long.
Al Lewis? What is this, The Munsters? It's Carlos "Panama" Lewis, Scumbag Extraordinaire.
Anthony342 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2018, 03:34 AM #29
Ben Bolt Ben Bolt is online now
Interim Champion
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 667
Quoted: 137 Post(s)
Rep Power: 10
Ben Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond reputeBen Bolt has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 5,101,538.02
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 5,101,538.02
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony342 View Post
Al Lewis? What is this, The Munsters? It's Carlos "Panama" Lewis, Scumbag Extraordinaire.
Hey, we had had a good time at the pub yesterday night.
You cannot expect me to keep track of all names in the world under such circumstances.
Ben Bolt is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2018, 01:55 AM #30
OctoberRed OctoberRed is offline
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: London
Age: 41
Posts: 9,307
Quoted: 3575 Post(s)
Rep Power: 77
OctoberRed has a reputation beyond reputeOctoberRed has a reputation beyond reputeOctoberRed has a reputation beyond reputeOctoberRed has a reputation beyond reputeOctoberRed has a reputation beyond reputeOctoberRed has a reputation beyond reputeOctoberRed has a reputation beyond reputeOctoberRed has a reputation beyond reputeOctoberRed has a reputation beyond reputeOctoberRed has a reputation beyond reputeOctoberRed has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 6,000,000,000,537,170.00
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 6,000,000,000,537,170.00
Long Overdue. For your contribution to NSB. - 1hourRun I concur - jazluvr 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Bolt View Post
Hey, we had had a good time at the pub yesterday night.
You cannot expect me to keep track of all names in the world under such circumstances.
Ben jumps in with a solid zinger...
Image View Removed. Please Click Here.
OctoberRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share This With Friends

Tags
assault, ring

User Tag List

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
Forum Jump


 

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:09 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.