Comments Thread For: Golovkin, Hopkins, Monzon: The Record at Middleweight

[b00g13man]

Embarrassing that anyone has let this GGG "record" narrative get this far.

[eco1]

yep agree and Hagler and Robinson beat all 3 of these guys.

Maybe Sugar Ray Robinson.

Monzon was a “Killer”.

Everyone who fought him got out of the game, he didn’t KO them just to hit them for as long as they could take it.

A Sadist, whatever, a killer with bad intent.

[TonyGe]

Monzon had by far the best record of the 3. It's indisputable.

Whether Monzon would have beaten Hopkins is another story, but I'd have given him a shot.

Golovkin spent his prime out of the spotlight due to his 'promoter' absolutely fu*king him. Maybe he would have demolished Sergio circa 2010/2011 if he'd gotten the chance. But he didn't so we'll never know.

Without that evidence we can just speculate on the basis of what he did against lower tier fighters, and speculation just doesn't matter at the end of the day.

When a career is over all that matters is what a fighter did or didn't do. Why they didn't do certain things is no more than hearsay.

Emmanuel Stewart who is an ATG trainer picked Hagler over Monzon.

[TonyGe]

GGG does not stand a chance against a prime Hopkins. I am a GGG fan but Hopkins has completely the wrong style for
GGG to beat. I remember when everyone was counting out Hopkins against Pavlik and Hopkins literally put on a clinic.

Almost everyone had the wrong style to beat Hopkins. LOL. I like Golovkin's chances against him but not against Hagler.

[Shadoww702]

Emmanuel Stewart who is an ATG trainer picked Hagler over Monzon.

He also was Andy Lee's trainer against Chaves Jr.

[TonyGe]

He also was Andy Lee's trainer against Chaves Jr.

Really, I didn't know that.

[soul_survivor]

what's the problem with people discounting GGGs 19 defences? They are for his WBA title, which is one of the 4 major recognised titles.

I personally don't think some of those defenced were up to scratch but if the same is not applied to the other title holders then it should not be applied to GGG.

[markther]

Boxing Geniuses

Here is the specific argument GGG is making, his 20 title defense opponents vs Hopkins 20 title defense opponents. Who fought the stronger opponents out of the 20 defenses. GGG is just referring to the fighters during both of their 20 title defense run. Here they are to help you out and stay on TOPIC...

GGG:
Vanes Martirosyan (upcoming)
Saul Alvarez (draw)
Daniel Jacobs
Kell Brook
Dominic Wade
David Lemieux
Willie Monroe Jr
Martin Murray
Marco Antonio Rubio
Daniel Geale
Osumanu Adama
Curtis Stevens
Matthew Macklin
Nobuhiro Ishida
Gabriel Rosado
Grzegorz Proksa
Makoto Fuchigami
Lajuan Simon
Kassim Ouma
Nilson Julio Tapia


Hopkins:
Howard Eastman
Oscar De La Hoya
Robert Allen (3)
William Joppy
Morrade Hakkar
Carl Daniels
Felix Trinidad
Keith Holmes
Antwun Echols (2)
Syd Vanderpool
Antwun Echols (1)
Robert Allen (2)
Robert Allen (1) (no-contest)
Simon Brown
Andrew Council
Glen Johnson
John David Jackson
William Bo James
Joe Lipsey
Steve Frank

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Both prime Hagler and prime GGG would have beaten prime Bhop. They would have been 50/50 against each other. And I'm a big Hagler fan, btw.

BWAHAHHAAH. You are funny.

Hagler and Hop would both mop the floor with GGG.

Hagler had all the tools to beat Hop. Not sure he had the smarts though.

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Dunno, but kind of imagine a Hagler/Golovkin fight would have shades of Hagler/Mugabi. Chin vs chin.

Golovkin is a better boxer than Mugabi. But Hagler was past it by 1986.