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Old 10-14-2019, 01:36 PM #11
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Why Oscar say go on Floyd when every other glamour guy was avoiding him
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You act as if Mosley was jumpong up and down at an opportunity to face Floyd. Heck, nobody was when he was coming up and Mosley like Floyd was chasing Oscar. Floyd didn't move up to 140 til 2005, don't forget after 2002 Kosta had injuries and was only fighting once a year if I remember correctly
Yeah these are the facts. Margarito was high risk low reward and Floyd was heading towards the DLH fight at the time. Floyd wanted 20mil to fight DLH but Arum said it wasnít there; offered him 8 to fight Margarito instead. Floyd bought out his contact for 750k and fought DLH a year later, made something like 25 million. So it was a similar situation to Bradley-Khan.

Cotto and Mosley ducked Floyd but circled back years later for the payday. Tszyu wasnít interested.
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Old 10-14-2019, 01:38 PM #12
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Fighters ducking Floyd? LMAO! He was making "calculated" moves remember?
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Old 10-14-2019, 01:39 PM #13
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Iím a big fan of Floyd Mayweather and heís the best boxer in the last 20-25 years. However, I canít deny the fact that he retired undefeated is because he ducked some of the best boxers of his era during the second phase of his career.

We all know styles make fights and based on how he struggled against Zab Judah, Castillo, and Maidana - Iím sure at least 1 of the 4 boxers up there would have beaten him. Tszyu was a bad boy that had Zab Judah doing the stanky leg and Margarito was a tough nut with power and a better version of Maidana. Also, prime Cotto before he was damaged with padded gloves by Margarito wouldíve caused Mayweather all kinds of trouble. Ditto prime Shane Mosley.

This is basically why most purists donít view Mayweather as the GOAT despite his unbeaten record and he wouldíve ranked higher if he took more risks during the 2nd phase of his career. And itís also why I donít rate boxers like Loma, Spence, GGG and to an extent, Canelo (bum beaters like Wilder and Fury donít belong in this convo because they will never be ATGs...the guys listed have potentials to be ATGs).
If you were a big fan of Floyd like you claim to be then you would know why those fights never happened at the time you wanted them to happen.
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Old 10-14-2019, 01:42 PM #14
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He only tried to make the Tszyu fight when the guy was past his prime. And he had opportunities to fight Cotto but didnít.
Arum said Cotto was still green. Tsyu was at 140 and refused the Mayweather fight.
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Old 10-14-2019, 01:48 PM #15
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When washe supposed to fight Tszyu??? he was hurt and came back and lost to Hatton

Cotto at 140 wanted no parts of Floyd

Mosley had a tooth ache as floyd had chased him for years

He left top rank because Arum would not get him to Oscar fight so there goes the Margo fight


what is this the make random floyd thread day?
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Old 10-14-2019, 01:54 PM #16
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what is this the make random floyd thread day?
Its an unwritten rule of Boxingscene to always have a Floyd Mayweather thread on the first page
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Old 10-14-2019, 01:57 PM #17
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Because he followed the Haymon model of safety (business) first and legacy second.

It's precisely the reason he will not go down as THE all time greatest boxer IMO.

Tszyu
Hatton at 140.
Cotto in his prime.
Mosley in his prime.
Margarito instead of Baldomir.
Canelo without catch-weight.
De La Hoya without him boiling down

Fight and beat these guys at the right time and nobody could argue that he isn't the greatest boxer of all time.
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Because he followed the Haymon model of safety (business) first and legacy second.

It's precisely the reason he will not go down as THE all time greatest boxer IMO.

Tszyu
Hatton at 140.
Cotto in his prime.
Mosley in his prime.
Margarito instead of Baldomir.
Canelo without catch-weight.
De La Hoya without him boiling down

Fight and beat these guys at the right time and nobody could argue that he isn't the greatest boxer of all time.
Oscar burned down for Manny not Floyd, what are you even talking about??
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:34 PM #20
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They all ducked Floyd except Margarito. Floyd had to choose between fighting Margarito or fighting Oscar De La Hoya essentially. He made the more lucrative and tougher option.
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