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Old 06-19-2015, 12:01 PM #11
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As noted, as good as Floyd is, he has no advantages here. IMO, the welterweight version of SRR is the p4p best fighter ever. Add in that Robinson is the naturally bigger man. SRR by lopsided decision at the least
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Old 06-19-2015, 07:10 PM #12
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I wouldn't favour Floyd over any of the ATG natural Welterweights.

He's been able to dominate this WW era because it hasnt been too strong.
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Old 06-19-2015, 07:55 PM #13
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My belief is (Ray Corso won’t like this) that today’s Floyd would have clearly outboxed SRR of the past.

But what if SRR had lived today, having 2-3 fights a year, getting some needed rest between fights, and having the opportunity to spend a lot of time in the gym, sharpening his tools?

No one is right or wrong here. We’re just guessing …
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Old 06-19-2015, 09:39 PM #14
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HA! I don't but thats ok. Think about this, Robinson boxes in any era and is a top flight champion and contender at welter and middle. Floyd in Robinsons era might be a top ten feather, beyond 126 he would not be viable because the style he currently embrasses would never "sell tickets"! There was no ppv or closed circuit or TV! You had to fight out of your boxing style or you couldn't sell tickets.
What we see now in methods and stylings would never work in the 20s thru the 50's. We all agree that Floyd & Wlad are pretty boring and its for a reason. In the past promoters would tell their management that if they couldn't "make the fight" (meaning take the lead also) they couldn't use them.
I'll also go back to the fact that Floyd can't break an egg so Robinson would dominate him. I have no idea how you see Floyd out boxing the real TBE &
p4p King!
How does time in the gym favor fighting all the time? Nothing takes the place of meaningfull bouts, you can train 24/7 and spar around the clock but it's fights that make you great, good, average or poor!
At 135 Floyd would see Ike Williams, Armstrong, Bea Jack and the rest..
At 147 Robinson, Gavilan. Basilio and the rest....
sorry those men would walk through Floyd because back then if you didn't have some power you got eaten up. It's hard for fans to understand that thats what the biggest difference in comparing these men. Today you have fighters who act out at press meeting and they talk ****.
In Robinsons time they shook hands wished each other luck and when the bell rang they tried to knock the other the **** out!!! hahahaha!!!

ok nite all, I'd love to see any of these 47 pounders in with Basilio, Carmen was their size around 5'8" and solidly built. There are kids today who would have a technical edge on him and most with some reach. Again the differenve would be the mental approach to the fight! That would be fun to watch.

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Old 06-19-2015, 09:46 PM #15
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I wouldn't pick Mayweather to beat fighters like Robinson or Leonard at welterweight. This is not his peak weight and he would give away too much.
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Old 06-20-2015, 12:30 AM #16
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Y'all crazy... Floyd ,ay lose every round, but he is going the distance... If he wants to survive, he survives... I have no doubt that Ray beats him, but to think floyd gets stopped is crazy.. He would find a way to go 15 Rds... Without a doubt.. He may lose every round but he isn't getting stopped
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Old 06-20-2015, 02:12 AM #17
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Y'all crazy... Floyd ,ay lose every round, but he is going the distance... If he wants to survive, he survives... I have no doubt that Ray beats him, but to think floyd gets stopped is crazy.. He would find a way to go 15 Rds... Without a doubt.. He may lose every round but he isn't getting stopped
Agree. Once Floyd realizes he can't win he'll use his tremendous defensive skills to focus on going the distance. Maybe like Hopkins did against Kovalev.
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Old 06-20-2015, 02:58 AM #18
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the differenve would be the mental approach to the fight!
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Mayweather ... would give away too much.
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I have no doubt that Ray beats him, but to think floyd gets stopped is crazy.
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Once Floyd realizes he can't win he'll use his tremendous defensive skills to focus on going the distance.
Just some week ago, I read an article in which ten respected boxing writers had their thoughts on this match up. And the outcome was a draw! ...

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If I recall it right, there were seven votes for a SRR decision, and two for a SRR stoppage.

As you mention, the writers pointed out size and mental toughness in favor of SRR. What surprised me was that SRR didn't receive more stoppage votes.
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Old 06-20-2015, 03:57 AM #19
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My belief is (Ray Corso won’t like this) that today’s Floyd would have clearly outboxed SRR of the past.

But what if SRR had lived today, having 2-3 fights a year, getting some needed rest between fights, and having the opportunity to spend a lot of time in the gym, sharpening his tools?

No one is right or wrong here. We’re just guessing …
Oh, someone is right and someone is wrong, we just cannot be sure who it is.

Robinson would be far and away the hardest puncher MW has fought. I am sure of that. No one even comes close to Ray's power.

The first thing I advise anyone with your opinion to do is look up the scarce little film there is of Ray the welterweight. He is quite a bit faster than as a middleweight.

And active! The welterweight Robinson was Hearns on steroids. There would be no escape for MW.

No one has convinced me with solid evidence yet that rings have not been smaller in the past. Duran/Leonard II was fought in a twenty-one foot ring, which Cosell describes as huge, and I am sure sixteen foot rings have been used somewhere because I remember reading about it long ago. I think MW's chances sink with every inch the ring loses in dimensions. You might as well tell me he is going to escape from Hearns or Hagler, let alone beat them too.

I do not criticize MW's tools, other than knowing he would be all day breaking out of a cobweb, just the style, the unwillingness to give a good fight unless the opponent forces it to happen. What you said of him in pure survival mode sounds an awful lot like what he does now.

I will put him up a little farther than Mr. Corso and say he would have made a very good lightweight in the golden era. He would be with men more on his scale. He would not always beat the likes of Ike and Beau, but I think he could have traded some bouts with them.

In those days hardly anyone was undefeated because the good fighters were fighting each other at every opportunity. If you look at today's top contenders as ranked by the organizations, one can only snicker and laugh. They all have different fighters listed as the top ten contenders. There are forty or fifty top ten contenders according to these orgs. And guess what? Few of them have fought each other. Robinson comes from an era where undefeated meant a lot more than it does now. It is pretty worthless now, which makes me snicker again to see the legacy value guys like MW and Calzaghe seem to place on it.

A true defensive artist could entertain in those days, but he had to be more active the way Pep was. Eeeking out victories where the other guy hits you twice in a round, but you show your superiority by hitting him six times, just would not fly in yesterday's game. A ref once stopped a contest between Burley and Williams for lack of action and sent them to the showers in disgust.
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I wouldn't favour Floyd over any of the ATG natural Welterweights.

He's been able to dominate this WW era because it hasnt been too strong.
and because he avoided the genuine threats, like Margarito, Williams and Cotto pre-Margarito.
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