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Old 06-28-2019, 06:21 PM #1
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Default Boxingscene’s Breadman challenged by Gabriel Montoya after shots fired at Canelo PEDS

Must be a Chavez vs Whittaker DRAW thang or the Chavez vs Taylor thing

Something WBC and Mexicanism me finks. He says Canelo failed 2 tests...

For people who still don’t get it:

A.) you can’t deplete Clenbuterol from your body 3 days later if you start with .6ng when a WADA accredited lab has the luxury to show nano traces at the molecular level! Lol. so the WBC knew what they were doing and exploited casuals not knowing half life depletion

B.) trick premise by the WBC-VADA because if Canelo has 0 traces of Clen from .6ng 3 days later then it means writers would’ve been advised to create a narrative that the only way Canelo would have nothing on the 3rd day would suggest he flushed it out of fear. A gamble VADa thought GBP would do...




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Old 06-28-2019, 06:47 PM #2
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I have to agree with Gabriel Montoya here.

Nothing in Canelo's history leads me to doubt him when he says the clenbuterol was accidental, from tainted meat. He hasn't lied before nor has he been a cheater.
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Old 06-28-2019, 06:57 PM #3
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Must be a Chavez vs Whittaker DRAW thang or the Chavez vs Taylor thing

Something WBC and Mexicanism me finks. He says Canelo failed 2 tests...

For people who still don’t get it:

A.) you can’t deplete Clenbuterol from your body 3 days later if you start with .6ng when a WADA accredited lab has the luxury to show nano traces at the molecular level! Lol. so the WBC knew what they were doing and exploited casuals not knowing half life depletion

B.) trick premise by the WBC-VADA because if Canelo has 0 traces of Clen from .6ng 3 days later then it means writers would’ve been advised to create a narrative that the only way Canelo would have nothing on the 3rd day would suggest he flushed it out of fear. A gamble VADa thought GBP would do...



Clearly the two tests failed are a result of the same drug intake or (series of intakes)... can't quite figure why some people ain't getting that. Got the greatest respect for the Breadman but saying it's 2 failed tests - while technically accurate - gives a misleading impression.

There is an issue - or a peculiarity - around the half life thing though. The 3 days between the two tests should have led to a fourfold reduction in the urinary concentration (ie from 0.6-0.8ng/ml to 0.15-0.2ng/ml) based on the normal half life of Clenbuterol in humans of about 35 hours. In fact his 2nd test came back with a concentration of only around 1/10 of the first. Flushing is one possible cause of this accelerated elimination, though it does appear that the pharmacokinetics of many drugs are different in redheads than in other folk (on account of them having a different type of melanin) so there is that possibility too.

The implied half life of this tenfold reduction is about 22 hours... another upshot of that is that had Canelo been tested only a day earlier his Clenbuterol level would have been greater than the 1ng/ml below which food contamination is widely accepted as a possibility. Kinda implies that if he did eat contaminated meat he ate it within a day or so of the test. Unlucky, huh?

As for the VADA tests I did have a quote of one of the Reynosos saying (I think for the Chavez Jr fight but with the implication it was the norm) that they 'don't start testing until April'... again, by no means an indictment or proof of anything, but certainly not eliminating the possibility that they may have been working around the testing regime.

And... has anyone yet found any actual details of how often Canelo - or anyone else on VADA 365 - has been tested and when? A few people have said it's supposed to be more comprehensive or more frequent than regular CPB but non of them has actually backed it up with hard numbers... not that I'm doubting it in particular, but I just get curious about shit when people ain't providing evidence that you would have thought would be in their interests to supply.

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Old 06-28-2019, 06:58 PM #4
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Damn, Montoya practically whipped out his d**k and slapped it on Breadman’s tongue.

Ain’t no coming back from that.
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Here's what gets me about the whole thing. Canelo had started training early February with the elevation mask for the second time in his career. He then goes to Mexico and just so happens to eat the one thing his team says he doesn't eat when he's training? And not just eat, but enough either enough of, or has a super concentrated amount of the drug in the amount he ate. They also had planned a high altitude training camp for the first time that I'm aware. And he gets popped for a drug that would definitely help his stamina. We don't know how long those affects stay in the system but it is coincidental that he threw the most punches in his career in the rematch with 622. Other than the Chavez fight which saw him throw barely over 600, he's thrown over 500 once. And now he's back to his historical average of around 450 against Jacobs. There's too many red flags around the clen situation and now we see him jumping around from 155 to 154, 154 to 164, 164 to 160, 160 to 168, back down to 160 and now talking of going to 175. Going to 160 was such an issue for all that time but now he's jumping around like no big deal. I find that suspicious. Not to mention what Koba-Grozny has said about the half-life and the amounts that were found don't quite add up.
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Must be a Chavez vs Whittaker DRAW thang or the Chavez vs Taylor thing

Something WBC and Mexicanism me finks. He says Canelo failed 2 tests...

For people who still don’t get it:

A.) you can’t deplete Clenbuterol from your body 3 days later if you start with .6ng when a WADA accredited lab has the luxury to show nano traces at the molecular level! Lol. so the WBC knew what they were doing and exploited casuals not knowing half life depletion

B.) trick premise by the WBC-VADA because if Canelo has 0 traces of Clen from .6ng 3 days later then it means writers would’ve been advised to create a narrative that the only way Canelo would have nothing on the 3rd day would suggest he flushed it out of fear. A gamble VADa thought GBP would do...



- -Clen a legal substance in the Mexican food chain.

You dumpties need to be screaming about how many nanograms of angels can dance on yer pinhaids.
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Old 06-28-2019, 07:48 PM #8
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What gets me are the amount of mexican fighters blaming canelo. They have far less money and resources yet they can remain clean and only eat clean meat. Canelo has no excuse even if it is froma street taco or whatever
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What gets me are the amount of mexican fighters blaming canelo. They have far less money and resources yet they can remain clean and only eat clean meat. Canelo has no excuse even if it is froma street taco or whatever
they almost never get vada tested while training in mexico...
neither was canelo tested while in mexico before this... there have been a few, and some of them came positive, not just boxers, but other atheletes as well...
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you can change the word Canelo, to Pacquiao..... and the word failed, to ducked..... and breadman would literally be more accurate


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Pacquiao's career is going to be an enigma. On one hand he's a lock for the HOF with sublime skill who fought killers, on the other hand he ducked 2 PED test and is the most privileged fighter in history. Both sides will be accurate....

as for the guys who are examining Canelo's punch-count, and fixating on 100 punches..... Pac leaped through THREE divisions in NINE MONTHS..... gaining 12+ pounds of muscle and more than DOUBLING his punch count

he turned from a normal 450-500 punch fighter who looked shot at the end of a fight..... into a 1200+ punch dynamo who looked fresh as a daisy, despite climbing THREE divisions

if breadman is happy to look the other way while that happened, he cannot talk about Canelo..... who did not publicly refuse drug testing for YEARS

killing a super-fight by refusing random blood tests, while making HIGHLY suspicious improvements..... is WAY worse than undertaking FULL testing and failing because of trace elements for a known contaminant, while being known for having poor stamina

also, Pacquiao's game was dynamic volume, death by a thousand bee-stings..... we saw the effect of whatever he was taking, 1200+ punches LMAO..... Canelo is beating guys with skill/technique/gameplan, and steroids do not help with that..... you guys who insist that Canelo cheated need to explain why he is notorious for having poor stamina

we know that he made improvements in the Golovkin rematch, and he know that he was clean..... but..... when Pacquiao finally agreed to drug testing, he was suddenly back to a normal 450 punch fighter again

sorry bread, you do not get to ignore one of those guys and throw stones at the other
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